Magneto in the 90s. He even built an asteroid as a refuge for any mutant.
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A Bioshock-like game set on Asteroid M would be, if you will excuse the parlance, baller.
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In the third season of the legend of korra, a group of people try to get rid of a monarchy (which is long established as especially unequal and oppressive) in favor of self government. They also try to get rid of the avatar, because she is an infallible being with incredibly outsized power. I love the avatar universe and get how they needed to fight them, but the group wasnβt wrong
Even the first season had Amon, the guy that wanted equality between benders and non-benders. At one point we're even shown that power was cut to a predominantly non-bender neighborhood, and when people went outside to protest to get their power turned back on, they were all rounded up and arrested. Afterwards, when Korra goes and tries to get the people that were arrested set free, she's told
All equalist suspects are being detained indefinitely. They'll be freed if and when the task force deems them no longer a threat.
Just in case it wasn't clear enough by that point that non-benders were treated as second class citizens.
All of the LoK villains were basically correct, and had to be caricatures of their stated beliefs in order to be villains. Amon was one of the better ones IMO though. Zaheer is too unrealistic
They also try to get rid of the avatar, because she is an infallible being with incredibly outsized power.
Did autocorrect change "fallible"? Because otherwise it makes the opposite point.
Probably a brain fart, thanks s
Even in the first season, I was siding with the equalists :s
Not exactly a story. I just watched Babylon 5, and it's fascinating how the good guys are the bad guys are the good guys are the bad guys...
Who are you?
What do you want?
Also, I think good and bad is a bit fluid there. It's just people with different agendas. Well, except emperor Cartagia. And perhaps Bester.
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Every story of Tom and Jerry.
Does Dr Doom count for this? He believes he's seen humanity perish in every reality except the one where he becomes the absolute ruler.
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Can't believe it's not mentioned yet, but Alan Moore's Watchmen
I cant see Ozymandias as a good guy. At all. None of the "heroes" are, but Oz was the worst of them.
Veidt would never consider himself the good guy for what he did, but I think that's what makes the writing so excellent.
I should re-read it, but the impression I got was that Oz was the epitome of this thread's topic. A real "ends justify the means" villain, where his end goal is to save the world from itself by giving it a common enemy to vanquish. And he does it. In terms of the classical trolley problem, he pulled the lever to kill 1 instead of doing nothing and allowing 5 to die. Am I misremembering?
Veidt asked the precognitive being if his plans for utopia would come to be, and if it was all worth it in the end. Osterman cryptically responded by saying "Nothing ever ends", and teleported away leaving Veidt once again in doubt as to whether or not his plan was successful.
From what I understood, he spent the whole story acting super-sure about what would happen if he did nothing, and how he alone could fix it. But in the end of the comic, this showed he had doubts. Veidt didnt have precognition, just very good prediction. But also an over-inflated ego. He killed a lot of people for a "maybe".
Man, such great writing. Yeah, definitely going to have to reread it.
That's roughly right, but that doesn't make him in any meaningful way "good". Of course I also don't think anyone who decided to drop the bombs on Japan was a "good guy". But maybe that's why I'm not a pure utilitarian.
Does Snape count?
What about Loki(marvel)?
Satan of the Bible, similar character to Prometheus https://www.enotes.com/topics/paradise-lost/questions/why-satan-considered-hero-paradise-lost-419454
Proponent of knowledge and education. Isn't big on forced worship. Doesn't murder you for not paying enough attention. Guess it's all just a trick to capture your eternal soul.
Artemis Fowl (Book 1) (he's the good guy in the following books)
And the first was by far the best
The French version of La Femme Nikita, although it's more of a redemption arc than "villain turning out to be a good guy." She starts out as a junkie petty crook who murders a cop in cold blood, spends most of the film assassinating people for the government, and in the end seems to have gotten her life together.
But she starts out as a very not-nice person.
Interview With the Vampire's Lestat was a bloodthirsty murderer. The Vampire Lestat's Lestat was a bloodthirsty murderer ... with a conscience.
I loved the Vampire Lestat.
The golden hour.
In Tale of the Body Thief, he drinks orange juice and it makes him think of drinking sunshine.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban comes to mind.
God Emperor Of Dune. Leto II needs his bath time.
Despicable Me?
Jafar in Twisted. So so good.
Twisted is what made me love musicals. They're not a big thing in my culture, our theatre is strictly non-musical, and the movie ones seemed weird to me. But after watching Twisted, they all clicked for me. Everyone should give it a watch!
Xenoblade Chronicles
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Alright, I'm intrigued. Could you explain why?
I mean itβs a bit spoiler-y to do so, but this also came to my mind.
Zuko is the villain in the beginning. By the end, he has completed a redemption arc and is a good guy.
One could argue that he was always a good guy and was just clouded by his fatherβs ambition and the loss of his mother.
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The Rock, starring Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage
Assuming you're counting stories where the villain did very bad things for the purpose of a doing something good, there is an anime from 2005 called Speed Grapher.
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"Villains by Necessity" by Eve Forward.
Adrian Veidt, Watchmen.
Absolutely not, unless you adhere to pure utilitarianism. Veidt kills untold numbers of innocent people on a self-imposed quest to do what he believes will save humanity. He was a straight up megalomaniac and the only upside is that his murderous actions eventually lead to peace.
But he made himself feel every death, and he saved the entire world from (holds lighter under map)..
Self imposed pain do not give back nor compensate for the lifes he took.
The Good Place, season 2.
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