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Manjaro GNOME immediately logs out after logging in (via GUI) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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EDIT: I kinda solved it by installing Wayland (with Nvidia card, Ouch!) to replace Xorg. Not sure if this is gonna last though. Perhaps Manjaro is the one I'm gonna throw out FIRST if anything happens from now on.

What should be the first line of defense? Timeshift?

This happened after I installed AUR package masterpdfeditor and 2 applications from github (some hashing algorithm programs, I think they were "Dilithium" and "Latice-based-cryptography-main", one of them was provided by NIST.)

If using GUI: I login, black screen for few seconds, then back at login screen.

If going to ctrl+alt+f2, login successful, then startx, see picture provided (higher quality).

I tried adding a new user, but result is the same.

I have a live usb to do the Timeshift. (I can also chroot if necessary... But I'm not extremely professional)

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[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

ah classic mistake of installing AUR packages on manjaro. been there done that. check your logs and search for errors, it probably overwrote/deleted some xorg config that you must either manually add back or regenerate. sorry i can't help further im a linux noobie but that was my issue when this happened to me.

[–] someonesmall@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why would a package called "masterpdfcreator" overwrite the x conf? I don't think the AUR packages have anything to do with the problem.

[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

ah sorry it's more accurate to say it can "break" your xorg config cause that was my case. looking at this package it has libgl as one of its dependencies. as i have said i'm not familiar with how exactly it works but it can probably mess with your graphics drivers.

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Start by not using Manjaro. Seriously this won't be the first time this happens to you. It's not a great distro. Consider EndevourOS if you want Arch without the command line install.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have you even looked at the picture they posted or do you just reply with nonsense by default when you see the word "Manjaro"?

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the picture looks exactly like my experiences with Manjaro. Thanks

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've always suspected that Manjaro detractors might be mostly Linux beginners who do stupid stuff then give up at the first sign of trouble.

You're not exactly doing your best to change my mind.

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Edit: not worth my time. Blocked them.

Ohoh! Let me try!!

I've always suspected that Manjaro users might be mostly Linux beginners who installed the distro because a YouTube influencer said to do so because they wanted to play Steam.

Seriously, I used Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Arch, CrunchBang, and Manjaro as daily runners (just to name a few.) Manjaro was a headache that broke so often, the devs had threads about breakage on the official forums for stable fucking upgrades. If you want to talk about Linux beginners, start by talking about their dev team. Fedora Core 2 was a more stable experience.

Do I have it out for Manjaro? You bet my ass I do. It's a horrible distro that takes a great distro and adds shit you don't need. It freezes Arch updates that you need and should use. Its GPU driver utility is a garbage collection of scripts that don't work half the time.

I got sick of having to troubleshoot breakage and complete fresh installs every time the devs screwed up. It's not stable nor is it bleeding edge.

Want bleeding edge? Use Arch. Manjaro is too many steps behind. Want stability? Use Ubuntu or Fedora. Rock solid experience even if you want to change DEs or DMs. Want to take a gamble on every update? Manjaro and Mint are ready to ruin your day! At least the Mint devs know they are just Ubuntu with codecs and a shitty DE.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago

Oh I see, Mint was out to get you too.

Just spitballing here but what if you're incompatible with distros that start with an M?

[–] Titou@feddit.de 24 points 7 months ago

Most stable Manjaro experience

[–] null@slrpnk.net 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of your steps should be to throw Manjaro in the trash and install EndeavourOS instead.

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Classic, never fix anything, just change to , you wouldnt have experienced any problems, ever

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would usually agree but Manjaro is a broken piece of garbage. Use Arch or Endeavour if you want to gain experience on an arch based distro.

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This issue is more than likely caused by Manjaro itself.

So yeah, probably would not have experienced this issue on EndeavourOS, that's right.

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I agree that manjaro is shit, but "your distro is shit" is not helpful advice for someone who wants to get their graphical session back.

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hate to admit it but perhaps it is not such a bad advice...

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For my personal curiosity, how on Earth did you end up uninstalling lightdm and using startx? Did you follow a tutorial? Where do you even get this kind of advice?

For future reference what you did is not for beginners and it would have messed up any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.

Try an immutable distro, maybe that will stand up better to this kind of thing.

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Of course it's not, hence why I said "one of your steps".

As in, get your data back, and then drop Manjaro.

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

so why would Envdeavor not experience this issue? Does it simply not have the AUR? That's very unfortunate. Or are they simply not holding back like in ~~Arch~~ Manjaro?

[–] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Or are they simply not holding back like in Arch?

I'll assume you mean Manjaro here -- Arch doesn't hold back packages.

And yes, Manjaro holds back packages from the main Arch repos which can break compatibility with the AUR.

EndeavourOS is pretty much literally a GUI installer for Arch.

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

I’ll assume you mean Manjaro here – Arch doesn’t hold back packages.

ouch, yes, my bad

I think I kinda solved it by installing Wayland. It seems to work, even on my proprietary nvidia drivers

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago

Manjaro holds back packages from the main Arch repos which can break compatibility with the AUR.

Except (1) that's not a thing that really happens and (2) what happened to OP was done by themselves not by an AUR package.

[–] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

It is a unmodified Arch install that has a prepackaged setup, so you get a running desktop very easily and get the full.power and configurability of Arch

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

OP's problem was not caused by an AUR package. They're leaving out some details about how they ruined their X setup themselves.

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[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

therr is nothing wring with AUR the problem is manjaro holding off arch packages causes massive dependency problems

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 7 points 7 months ago

This issue is more than likely caused by Manjaro itself.

The issue is caused by OP disabling lightdm and using a custom X session. It would've backfired on any distro on the planet, because they messed up something in that session.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago

How would their problem be any different on Endeavour? They are circumventing the normal X greeter and starting a custom X session.

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Have you checked the log files under /var/log/xorg.0....log?

Also see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Troubleshooting

If you want to get your graphical session back quickly, maybe try setting up GNOME with wayland (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME#Wayland_sessions)

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

You can also check /var/log/pacman.log for the packages you installed, then pacman -Ql the packages to list what files they might have changed

[–] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I second the wayland option. Then you at least have a working gui with all your settings and recent work intact while you try to find the glitch in your Xorg install.

[–] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Manjaro is not up-to-date with Arch repos. Using AUR in Manjaro is a huge mistake.

If you wanna use AUR, I suggest you to go all in with Arch itself

However I still recommend you to use AUR as less as possible, cause too many AUR can mess even with Arch

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm using 75 AUR packages without any issues and I've been using Manjaro for 4 years. But I'm really worried now that you've said that. 😬 When should I begin to expect AUR trouble? Does it happen on the 5th year? What if I reinstall, do I get another 4 years?

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

However I still recommend you to use AUR as less as possible, cause too many AUR can mess even with Arch

Based on what?

[–] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Based on Arch USER Repository.

AUR packages are maintained by users and can install and overwrite packages in your system and if you install AUR enough, you'll certainly install a package that corrupts your system.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's ridiculous. You can blindly install crap that breaks your system on any distro. Just don't blindly install things from the AUR and you'll be fine.

[–] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Definitely can. But AUR make it easier, once it's not officially supported and has permission to install things on your base system with root access.

It's kinda the same as you download a deb file and install it or use ppa on debian-based distro. All of that can make your system breaks, but in other distros the general recommendation is to use official repos always when the app is available on repos

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago

Right -- so like I said, nothing to do with the AUR and everything to do with being smart about what software you install.

[–] someonesmall@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Don't use startx to start X, use the display manager: systemctl restart lightdm

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[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok so clearly none of the people commenting here have even bothered to look at your picture or have no idea what you are doing so feel free to ignore them.

Question 1: what's in your .xinitrc?

Question 2: why are you starting X this way? It's not for beginners, and from your question it doesn't sound like you're an advanced user.

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[–] muhyb@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

If you have LightDM as your display manager, try some other display managers.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 7 months ago

Check your RAM for errors.

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