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"Protesters who wear masks could face arrest, up to a month in jail and a £1,000 fine under proposed measures that human rights campaigners claim are pandering to “culture war nonsense”.

Police in England and Wales will be given the power to arrest people if they are wearing face coverings at specific demonstrations, the Home Office has said."

Been a bad 18 months or so for privacy in the UK. Online Safety Bill passed, the right to take strike action curtailed, people in receipt of benefits (including disabled people) will soon (as from 2025) have their bank accounts open to the government, the right to protest curtailed and now this.

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[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 94 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is just the first step at making protests illegal.

[–] li10@lemmy.ml 94 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I see no hope for this country. Things are just getting worse and worse every year, how long can this keep going?

It’s pretty bad now, but I seriously worry what things will be like in 20 or so years.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago

Tories on a any% speed run to the government from Children of Men, while the left is worried about which way Kier decides to lean that afternoon

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

Yall need to grab some pitchforks

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 59 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hmm...I wonder which political spectrum the current government belongs to...

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Fuck the Tories right, but I also don't see Starmer opposing any of this.

[–] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Starmer is like like 1 cm left of rishi

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Exactly.. (leaving both firmly on the right)

Vote none, and start organising (in your work place, in your community, in your own home inspiring your kids). If you still can't see that the system is designed by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful, you're not paying any real attention (precisely why the media keeps society constantly looking at anything but how things are really run).

We need to abolish the establishments keeping us down, not continue to play their game by their rules and wonder why things never change..

[–] MayonnaiseArch 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can vote as left as you can and still do whatever you are saying to do. Having ultraright nazi shits in power because you're an internet idiot will not help you - in fact it will completely rob you of the chance to ever change anything. You dumb fucks will solve the world by not fucking voting, even if the game is rigged you don't have to be the dumbest shit about it

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Tell me you didn't click the link without saying you didn't click the link (hint: it literally tells people to vote).
Also tell me you buy in to the distraction propaganda without saying you buy in to the distraction propaganda (hint: having a red tie on while not opposing a single piece of fascist legislation makes you, at the very least, a fascist enabler, or in reality, simply another fascist just one who is better at hiding it)..

You're literally giving a live demonstration of why continuing to play within their rules leads nowhere but deepening the divide within the working class.

Blaming the people trapped in it, for the system keeping us all down, instead of those who created and benefit from it is one hell of a self destructive trick you're doing for your overlords..

Either way, you're an ableist piece of crap, licking a boot because you've simply grown too comfortable with the feeling of it rammed down your throat, you have no high ground here. ¯\(ツ)

[–] MayonnaiseArch 4 points 7 months ago

I'm not talking about the article, it's about saying no. If I need to read the article that says yes when your link says no.. I'm just sick of the onslaught of defetism online where a whole bunch of people have the idea they can just ignore reality and it's all gona fix itself. But who cares right, will all be dead because of the climate wars so it's all cool

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

A μm at best.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

That would mean taking a stance on an issue, which might alienate some voters somewhere.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Whatever gets them votes. Actual conservatives would at least pretend to care about the economy.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Why? Conservatism is about preserving traditional values and traditional power structures not the economy.

If you actually care about the economy that means you care about progressing a more effective and efficient state for the benefit of the people. Afraid that makes you a progressive which the conservatives assure us they aren't.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago

Well if they were conservative and cared about traditional values, they wouldnt have let in so many migrants.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

Conservatism is about preserving the status quo. (As opposed to reactionaries that want to restore the status quo ante)

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[–] illi@lemm.ee 59 points 7 months ago

So if someone doesn't want to get sick for being in a huge crowd, they get arrested? Truly genius.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 54 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Oi you got a loicence for that mask?

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

I do but ye cant see mi face on the loicence photo anyways

[–] Turbo@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago
[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is the UK turning into a dictatorship or an undeveloped country ? How is independent press doing over there ?

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 7 months ago

More like fascist-adjacent. And we started the process of underdeveloping ourselves when the fascist-adjacent leaders persuaded the terminally ignorant that Brexit would be great when it was obvious it was going to lead exactly where it is leading right now.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 17 points 7 months ago

dictatorship or an undeveloped country

Right-Wing Government: why not both?

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 30 points 7 months ago

I think it's important to relate the latter part to the former - beyond the privacy issues with not being allowed to wear masks (and having our bank accounts invaded), there is also the health aspect, and disallowing masks is one sure fire way to keep disabled people from assembling, since, you know, we don't want to get covid, being significantly more likely to die from it (not necessarily because of the illness, but because our lives are deemed less worth saving).

The lack of any mask mandates already excludes disabled people from so many public spaces, this is just another way to keep us (as well as others, you know, first they came for..) from fighting back. as they strip us of every last human right.

[–] LKPU26@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are they going to arrest Muslim women with face coverings?

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Yeah lol of course, they would absolutely love any excuse to do that

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 18 points 7 months ago

But they already made protest illegal.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it will be interesting to see if we ever get to a point during the next inevitable global pandemic where masks are compulsory in some places and illegal in others

[–] Pssdoff 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They want it to be illegal to both wear and not to wear a mask so that they can selectivity enforce arbitrary laws against whomever they wish.

[–] fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Like that traffic light on a rural Russian intersection that is always red

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

or like in America, where if the cops want to kick your door in all they have to do is say they smelled something and then it's on you to prove they didn't

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

This is like when online community moderators ban discussion of politics.

Everything is political. If you ban politics, you can take action against anyone

[–] ULS@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Face paint it is.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

Fuck this country. I'm moving out.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

First they force you to wear masks in public, then they ban it. Fucking clowns.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 10 points 7 months ago

Well that should put us back on track as a nation, practical solutions for our modern problems. What a relief.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Face paint and glasses to break up facial recognition

[–] sqgl 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No need for glasses. Just make sure the face paint is done dazzle style.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Protesters who wear masks could face arrest, up to a month in jail and a £1,000 fine under proposed measures that human rights campaigners claim are pandering to “culture war nonsense”.

Police in England and Wales will be given the power to arrest people if they are wearing face coverings at specific demonstrations, the Home Office has said.

The move is in direct response to the four protesters being cleared of criminal damage after toppling a statute of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol in 2022 .

Ministers will also make climbing on war memorials a specific public order offence, carrying a three-month sentence and a £1,000 fine.

Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights lawyer and peer, said: “Should rape victims or refugees peacefully protesting really be punished for covering their faces to protect their identities?

The home secretary, James Cleverly, said that recent protests had seen “a small minority dedicated to causing damage and intimidating the law-abiding majority”.


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[–] Xavier@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hmm… I may be mistaken but can they not already arrest troublemakers, arsonists, violent/aggressive individuals and other sort of rioters/agitators with preexisting laws/bylaws/regulations ?

On the other hand, I'm trying to see the silver lining here… perhaps this new law will make it difficult for agent provocateur¹ from operating without repercussions and anonymity unless the law specifically has a carve out for them (I wouldn't be too surprised, but it would be another major blow to the resiliency of democracy in the United Kingdom).

Source: Pentney, K. (2021). Licensed to kill…discourse? agents provocateurs and a purposive right to freedom of expression. Netherlands Quarterly of Human Rights, 39(3), 241-257

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Police discretion will already make an exception for them even it's not explicitly carved out, there is no silver lining, it's just more police state shit

[–] urfavlaura@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that has been forbidden in Germany for years

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

What did they do during covid ? Arrest both mask wearers and nonmaskers ?

[–] fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sure there'll be a carve-out to the mask prohibition. I mean, what if there's protest action a minister/police department dislikes? They need a way for their agents to don confiscated Nazi paraphernalia before joining the event to poison its media coverage, while remaining unidentifiable as state actors.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

They don't need a carve out for that, police discretion will do

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