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[–] ech@lemm.ee 85 points 9 months ago

Surprise surprise, the biggest supporters of "small government" just want to own everything themselves. Who could've seen that coming?

Oh, right, literally anyone with a brain.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just want to point out that there is a difference between "Libertarian Capitalism" and "Libertarian Socialism"; and as per usual, the capitalists were the one who stole the label.

[–] DadBear@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Interesting distinction. Could you or another explane it? My Political "chops" aren't that good yet.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago

Libertarian socialism is an anti-authoritarian and anti-capitalist political current that emphasises self-governance and workers' self-management. It is contrasted from other forms of socialism by its rejection of state ownership and from other forms of libertarianism by its rejection of private property. Broadly defined, it includes schools of both anarchism and Marxism, as well as other tendencies that oppose the state and capitalism.

Wikipedia - Libertarian socialism

It's usually a synonym for Anarchism.

The oxymoron "Libertarian Capitalism" is an propagandistic rebranding of landlord feudalism, engineered by a right-wing grifter who thought Adam Smith was a pinko commie.

It's taken seriously by the folks who despite all of the evidence, think trickle-down economics is a good idea. It's a joke to everyone else.

[–] D1G17AL@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago

In California, something like 53% of the land is public or state property meaning that California has even more land for the public to use than Washington. Poor sap tricked himself into thinking Texas was so great. Texas is a shithole. Sorry not sorry.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago

Texas sounds like hell

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

the ideological justification behind privatizing everything is to make every man a king. the thing about that is, it means that any time you leave your kingdom you have to deal with several fickle idiot kings whose rules can change from moment to moment and who can ignore everyone and do whatever he wants without appeal. with public ownership there is one king, and he may suck but there are limits on what he can do and if we all don't like what he does we can replace him or change the limits.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

TBH, "libertarianism" was originally a left-wing ideal. Proudhon famously said "property is theft" and Malatesta (the most famous libertarian from Italy, where I live) was an anarchist. Right-wingers just co-opted the term like they did with many others.

(like they co-opted d'annunzio, a famous Italian poet. Now everybody knows him as "a fascist" but the nation he founded, the free state of Fiume, was the first nation to recognize the USSR (and the USSR recognized them back, irrc) He was also a member of a left-wing party, saying he was "going towards life" But as always, fascists appropriated a lot of things ideated by him. Worker's unions had real power in Fiume, compare it to fascist Italy where they were basically 100% subservient to the party and you start to get a more nuanced and "controversial" picture of d'annunzio and Fiume. I suggest people that believe him to be a fascist to study him more, that's all, from a guy that lives in Italy and has studied him. Rant over. )

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 months ago

Nestor Makhno, the Ukrainian anarchist, referred to himself as a libertarian, I believe.

[–] feine_seife@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

They do respect the right to private property.

[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I need somewhere to dort bike