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  • KDE Plasma 6 will require users to double-click on files and folders to open them by default.
  • This change is controversial for those familiar with single-click behavior in KDE Plasma.
  • Click behavior in KDE Plasma 6 is configurable, allowing users to choose between single-click and double-click.

https://archive.ph/BseL3


This is one of the first things I always tweak in KDE, so I love this change, but I'm curious how others feel.

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a single click person, but I welcome this change. Those who like single click already know where to change it. This is good for new users.

[–] mozzribo@leminal.space 7 points 9 months ago

If it wasn't default, I likely would have never tried single click, which I prefer now.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 46 points 9 months ago

Single click was always the first setting I changed.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My parents found single-click much more intuitive, because everything else (web browser, phone) uses single-click.

[–] GroteStreet@aussie.zone 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My parents still double click everything on their mobile...

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

That’s hilarious lol

[–] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

Oh that makes so much sense. I was wondering why single-click would ever be default.

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 27 points 9 months ago

The Year of Linux on the Desktop has finally come guys.

[–] Matty_r@programming.dev 18 points 9 months ago

I've been using my install script for so long, I've forgotten that single click was the default. I guess that's at least one extra line I can remove.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

For all those single-click fans:

  • how do you quickly rename a file?
  • how do you even drag-drop instead of opening stuff?
  • how do you select files?
  • how do you live?

Saying "well kids use web stuff and Android and dont know what a single click is" is basically neglecting the use of a mouse. I love at least 3 buttons, hovering and fast clicks.

[–] Jomosoto@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
  • Ctrl + Click, F2
  • Just drag and drop the file
  • Ctrl + Click

I prefer single click, but I agree that there are situations where double click is more convenient

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

That sounds way worse than double click haha. I have set F2 to Volume (the rest is the normal F keys)

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Single click is so much better. Vastly superior.

How do I live? Without carpal tunnel.

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[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Select: click on the + sign.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's great. I think it's impossible to use dolphin with single click since it goes into folders or starts files when clicking on them once.

Anyone knows the historic reason for single click? Plasma was inspired by some older system?

[–] zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Use the terminal mostly anyway, but navigating deeply nested folders when you have to double click is slightly annoying so I can see the appeal.

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[–] GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A day of sorrow indeed... No, joking aside. I gather most people use double click anyway, so this is a good change for that reason. I've never really understood it myself (the primary function of the left click being "select" when everywhere else it's "open" or "go to this thing"?? Alien stuff).

I'm just glad KDE listens to it's users and adapts to them. Looking forward to the release!

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[–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

They can change the default settings as long as they leave the option to change it available.

[–] iusearchbtw@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Shame that they gave in to the haters, single click is great. Far more intuitive too, as you'd immediately tell if you ever had to guide your parents around a computer constantly reminding them in which arbitrary situation you're meant to double click and in which to single click.

[–] deliriousn0mad@feddit.it 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I really don't think it's a matter of "haters". It might be more logical and consistent if you have no other frames of reference, but most Plasma users come over from other OSs who all use double click (Windows, Mac, even Gnome). If a new user blindly tries KDE and keeps accidentally opening everything while trying to select it's just an immediate and big annoyance. It's not even clear that it isn't a bug because there is no clear explanation of how to select and how to open.

Edit: we are of course all used to single clicking on touch screens, but there it is contrasted with the long press to see options and some "select mode" for file management. There is no system that works exactly like Plasma single-click, which makes it disorienting.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So be it. I don't understand why there is so much debate around such simple setting.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

Same reason we debate how to pronounce GIF (it's pronounced gif, I'll have you know) or what toppings to put on pizza. Because it's entertaining for some, no matter how grating it may get for others.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Is this a change I'm too "command line" to care about?

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I could've sworn I already double click in Dolphin.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some distributions that ship with KDE have that option set out of the box for you already.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That must be it then. I'm on Fedora 39 KDE Spin.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

lol same here on F39 KDE. I was wondering "wait was that a setting i changed?" I haven't used KDE on another distro in a real long time

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Kinda disappointed actually. It's in my top ten best features if KDE. Single click is so much faster and easier. No other OS has gotten this right.

As long as they dont take it away. But since most people now won't know it's there they are unlikely to find out just how great it is.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's great except when there's no "white space" to easily do a drag select. Or I'm just an idiot and do it wrong.

[–] mozzribo@leminal.space 6 points 9 months ago

In Dolphin, there is a "+" icon in the top right corner on hover for selection.

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[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My problem with it: It was not consistent when using KDE:

In Dolpin, it's a single click.....

When downloading something in Firefox and choosing the location, it's a double click.

[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago

Firefox doesn't use the KDE file picker by default. You can set widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker to 1 to use the desktop environment's native picker.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#KDE_integration

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[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

This truely is the darkest timeline

[–] mrGarbanzo 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This + some other quirks are what have kept me off KDE for a good while. I understand wanting to do things differently, possibly easier -- but it's hard to break old habits.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So instead of changing to double click from the settings, you switched DEs?

[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

It may mean the user doesn't think their use is similar enough to the people who make the distro/DE, or trust the distro makers' decision making ability.

If a distros' makers think snaps are a good idea, or that the distro shouldn't by default show available security updates, or have a UI that hides how many open instances there are of a program unless you hover over an icon, or hides the titles of those open programs, or hides panels; then the way I use a PC is too different from the way they do - and there are likely more things in the background that we disagree with which can't as easily be changed like UI settings.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not so crazy. Most people choose a DE for the defaults

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

I'm sorry, but this to me, sounds insane and kind of lazy. You can't go to the settings and make a couple of changes???? People really can't do that?

[–] thingsiplay 3 points 9 months ago

I can understand why someone don't want to use GNOME, because the defaults can suck for some people. And not everything is configurable. But KDE? Can be configured about anything imaginable. While I understand that not everyone want to go full in to learn everything, I still don't get the default setting for a simple switch like double/single mouse click is a big deal not to use the environment.

If you really like KDE and are used to it, then you won't change to something else just because the next update changes the default value (for new installations only BTW) of mouse click setting.

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[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

Double click to open files/folders Single click to highlight file/folders Hover to focus on window

Perfection

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

I never thought I'd see the day

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 4 points 9 months ago

Ok but when do we get to change the drag and drop behavior so it just moves the folder instead of opening a menu

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW. In the the next issue of Linux Magazine Torvalds talks about the new default in the single click behavior of Plasma: "KDE, fuck you"

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I really like single click but since this is just about the new default then I don't really care

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