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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

JANEWAY DID NOTHING WRONG

Sucks to be Tuvix, nobody should be judged on the circumstances of one's creation.

But Tuvok and Neelix deserved to live, too.

If you have the ability to help them, you have the responsibility to help them.

[–] SaintWacko@midwest.social 16 points 10 months ago

Exactly! The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. Tuvok and Neelix are the many, Tuvix was the one. Simple math

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it separated the wheat from the chaff. Janeway did nothing wrong.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago

Pretty harsh to call Tuvok "chaff" - the man's chief of security!

[–] survivalmachine 10 points 10 months ago

New Trolley Problem: Would you cold-bloodedly murder a living being to save two of your buddies from certain death? Jameway say absolutely I do.

[–] SteleTrovilo 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Best solution:

1: Sedate Tuvix. He must not be conscious for the next steps.

2: Make a transporter clone of him (like Riker/Boimler)

3: Separate one of the Tuvixes into Tuvok/Neelix, leave the other as Tuvix

Everyone wins!

[–] explodicle@local106.com 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why sedate him? He willingly walked onto his execution pad.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This was one of those episodes i never really gave another thought until reading about it on the internet.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

I skip that episode. It's just.. eh.. not my cup of tea.

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

I would have been on Tuvix's side if they were cuter but I still see their face in my nightmares.

[–] Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

I think the controversy of Janeway's choice is largely due to the show's failure to address the orchid of it all.

As I see it, Tuvix is not "Tuvok + Neelix," but also isn't "something new." I maintain that Tuvix is primarily the orchid, which has subsumed the essence and personalities of two Voyager crew members and is asserting itself on board the ship.

All it would have taken is for Janeway to have maintained (or be convinced by another) that this was the case, and it would be the obvious choice to split them back up.

Of course that would negate the tension of the episode, but it could be left as "not everyone on board agrees that this is who/what Tuvix is, but Janeway believes it so that's why her decision isn't immoral." We could have the same kinds of "was Janeway wrong?" debates, but some of the rough edges would be smoothed out, I think.

The question to me isn't whether Janeway murder Tuvix, but was the murder of Tuvix justifiable. In Star Trek 2 Spock famously states "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" in TNG Thine Own Self Troy learns that sometimes an officer must order a crew member into a situation where they know that person isn't coming back.

Does the situation Voyager was in and the creation of Tuvix represent the same level of danger "to the many" that say an imminent warp core breach does?