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So I use a VPN when torrenting as per usual but with Soulseek I wish to share my music with others and that requires me to open a port. I have no problem doing so I just do not pay for a VPN that can do this at the current price I am paying. Is it possible/what are the chances of me getting in trouble ISP wise from using soulseek with no VPN. With where I live I would get in trouble with no VPN and torrents for clarity.
I see posts from years ago saying no just wondering if things have changed.

Thanks

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[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As far as I know you don't need a VPN to use Soulseek, but it's obviously always recommended to use one over not using one.

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

but it’s obviously always recommended to use one over not using one

Why? Why does it matter whether your traffic is visible to your ISP or a VPN company?

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 6 points 9 months ago

Because you are doing something illegal. Your ISP might not care, but if someone complains, they HAVE to start the process. You're not only protecting yourself, but your ISP from the music industry's wrath.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's more about being visible to other users. If other users have your IP address, they can go to your ISP and complain about your IP address sharing copyrighted material. In certain jurisdictions they have to give out your info so that legal action can be taken against you.

If you use a VPN, they only know that somebody using this VPN is sharing copyrighted material. Since VPNs usually do not log who sends what, they can't be made to give out users data, so you're safe.

[–] sqgl 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Other users do not have your IP address. It is not like torrenting.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait then why does nicotine+ have a button when I right click on a peer, "users>Show IP Address," which returns "IP address of user [REDACTED] is [REDACTED], port 40447 (CA/Canada)" (In case you're wondering, I'm the one that redacted it. I'm looking at my most recent peer's info).

[–] sqgl 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

Oh yeah nic+ is way better. I didn't know the official didn't let you.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah idk why you spread misinformation like that. File up/downloads are done via a p2p connection (see a reverse-engineered documentation of the p2p connection process) and thus the IP addresses are obviously known. Maybe not directly visible in the SoulseekQt client itself, but definitely through third party network connection monitors like Wireshark. It's pretty trivial for anyone using Soulseek to get IPs of the people they download from.

[–] sqgl 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah idk why you spread

You do know why. I said.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 months ago

"Need" no, but I would. I don't like exposing my real IP to peers, idk them, and my ISP doesn't need to know a GODDAMN thing.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Tailscale has the Funnel feature that doesn't require an open port (well, it's a UPnP port), and maintains an encrypted tunnel to your music server for anyone you decide to share it with.

Alternatively you could get as many of your friends to use Tailscale itself to minimize the need for the Funnel feature (so anyone you know get them using TS, for the general sharing let it happen via Funnel).

Tailscale is free, and easy to setup.

[–] Blxter@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Definitely looking into tailscale thanks for this.

Edit: Did not solve original problem but was the solution to other things I have been doing. Unless I am mistaken I can not use the funnel feature to open ports the way that is needed.

[–] vasco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

This is awesome, do you happen to know a tutorial for this? I have tried google but only some youtube videos that are worst than nothing

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago

I would recommend using a VPN. Since it is p2p, theres a non zero chance that you might get in trouble. Some ISPs don't care and will only act if DMCAed.

[–] Rotkehle@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

using it in Germany without VPN since ages and never got a letter from anyone :)

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

jeez, soul seek? how about limewire or napster or telegram lol

[–] taanegl 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bro, don't crap on SoulSeek. Music collectors all over the world use it. You can find some rare gems on there you won't find in Spotify, Tidal, YouTube or any other music platform.

And comparing it to limewire is kind of unfair.

[–] Blxter@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago

Honestly I was sleeping on soulseek for a while it is a great source of music.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Who is crapping on anything? I just haven't heard of SoulSeek since the days of Limewire. longer even