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[–] Lnrdrople@suppo.fi 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Swedish isn't technically foreign language in Finland

[–] brewbellyblueberry@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago

Lol I literally came here to say that.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dutch isn't a foreign language in Wallonia either.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And considering English is shown for Flanders I assume French is counted as first "foreign language" there.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, true.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

This holds for Dutch and French in Belgium either. Though it is a difference, if a language is tought to a native speaker, e.g. Swedish to a Swedish speaking Finn, or as a foreign language, e.g. Swedish to a Finnish speaking Finn.

[–] Blaze@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

Yes it’s a Reddit link, but I know consider Reddit as a glorified Imgur. Also it avoids consuming storage on the Lemmy servers.

If someone wants to upload it to catbox.moe or Imgur, feel free to comment with the link, I’ll update it

[–] charlytune@mander.xyz 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think people are missing that this is the 2nd most taught foreign language, not the 2nd most taught language. So there's the native language, then the most taught foreign language, and then the 2nd most taught foreign language. I'd imagine for quite a few countries that English is the most taught foreign language, particularly ones that heavily rely on tourism.

Edit: just noticed it even says that in the text on the right.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Danish of all languages being 2nd in Iceland caught me off guard. In Finland Swedish is 2nd because we're a bilingual country, but why on earth would Icelanders go for Danish? Does Icelandic have like a large vowel inventory or something that makes Danish more natural to learn than say Norwegian (Nynorsk maybe?) or even Swedish? Because while grammatically Danish is nothing all that surprising among the Germanic languages here, their pronunciation is something else and their vowel inventory is so large that Danish kids acquire language slower than eg Swedish or Norwegian because the language is a frickin nightmare to learn to listen to

edit: ah I didn't even know they were under Danish rule at one point, so it's the same as we Finns have with Swedish

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I asked in a direct comment but I'll also put here: should Sweddish really be considered a foreign language in Finland? It's a state ofiicial language ( as you know being a Finn)

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Depends on how you view it, I guess. Officially we are a bilingual country and everybody speaks both Finnish and Swedish, but practically since the Fenno-Swedish minority is only about 6% of the population and they're highly concentrated in specific areas, the vast majority of Finns don't speak Swedish all that well if at all. Sure, we all have mandatory "other national language" classes all the way up to university level, but if you rarely use the language outside some tests, it might as well be a foreign language. Been 20 years since my last Swedish class, and I need a dictionary to read anything but the simplest Swedish text and speaking it would be painful to say the least.

So, officially it's not a foreign language, but practically it might as well be

edit: here's how Finnish, Swedish and Sámi are distributed when looking at the official languages of municipalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_of_Finland#/media/File:Languages_of_Finnish_municipalities_(2016).svg

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's Italian in the map legend, yet it isn't used? Or is it on the map somewhere I didn't see?

[–] denial 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Ohhhhh, I see now, thank you so much!

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Should Sweddish really be considered a foreign language in Finland? It's a state official language.

[–] blendedracer@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

Glad I read the small print note BEFORE I posted my original comment!!

[–] JanoRis@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the fact that Netherlands, belgium and Luxemburg created the german flag on the map

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago

Netherlands is in blue, think you're looking at Flanders & Wallonia (both part of Belgium)