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I think I’ve settled on the latter. Disagreement is maybe best communicated by the absence of an upvote? And downvotes work best when they signal something that is just off base, and while not reportable, is not appreciated at a broad cultural level.

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[–] SomeNerd@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago

=This is Bad content, which i want to see less of

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

For me, downvote typically means either "this adds nothing to the discussion" or "this was made in bad faith"

[–] sunaurus@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I think voting based on quality of content (and NOT whether you agree with it) is the best approach for healthy discussions. If somebody is a low effort troll, then for sure downvote (and maybe even consider reporting).

OTOH, if somebody makes a well written and thoughtful post about why Totoro is the best Ghibli movie ever, and meanwhile you think Totoro is not even in their top 3, then I would still recommend NOT downvoting 😃

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

The problem is that there's no way to enforce this in practice. All of these conversations about voting culture, with examples and pontificating always just come off as "everyone who drives slower than me is a grandpa, everyone who drives faster than me is a lunatic."

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. This.

Upvoting things you disagree with but are well put and compelling is the litmus test in a way.

Vote for quality = a better platform

Vote for personal appreciation = a toxic platform ?

[–] smashboy@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve upvoted comments that I disagreed with, but were well written an contributed to a good discussion. I only downvote for very low quality, spam or hateful comments.

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[–] HolyHell@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Low effort trolls want downvotes though. You’re better off just ignoring them.

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[–] indite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% you should feel bad. I hope everyone i downvote cries themselves to sleep

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sooo ... if this is sarcasm I'm not sure I quite get it? People shouldn't be so sensitive about downvotes and the like?

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does the thought of the person, that you plan to downvote, crying themselves to sleep make you happy? Then you should downvote them. I think that's what they wanted to say.

[–] indite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just think everyone I downvote is undeniably evil and any amount of hatred towards them is justified

[–] reeen@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago
[–] indite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I want everyone i downvote to die and burn in hell

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neither; downvotes = this doesn't contribute to the topic and/or doesn't contribute anything relevant to the conversation.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's what a lot of us agreed it was for a long time ago, but most people use it as an "I don't like this", or "I disagree" button. Some people even use it as an "I don't like you personally" button. There were a few times on Reddit when I got into an argument with someone and they went through my profile and downvoted everything they saw until they got bored.

[–] RotatingParts@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Let say there is a news story of a horrible event. I will up vote it so people see it and read it to learn. I am not up voting it because I am promoting the horrible event.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Downvote = “I think this should be a little lower in the sort priority”

It’s the opposite of an upvote.

[–] Cullen@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep same, purely for what I want to see higher/lower in the sort

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel that should be balanced with: this is appropriate here so I won't downvote it, even if it's irrelevant to me.

... I suppose for big communities that averages out so it's okay, but maybe not for small

[–] Cullen@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah true! I guess there's some subtle complexities to it

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Like if you downvote everything you don’t upvote, it almost doesn’t have an effect because all those things are equally bearing one new downvote and hence don’t change sort precedence with each other.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Up = I like this

Down = I hate this

If you have more ups than downs: The viewers commonly liked it.

If you have more downs than ups: The viewers commonly hated it.

It's simple and it's how it's always worked, and likely will continue to work, regardless of any deeper sentiments some people may have about it.

I wish there was a new button that simply meant "I have no opinion on this one way or another." But I guess that's simply non-engagement.

I use it as:

up = this should be here

Down = this should not be here

Course I have my own biases but. I don't want to see people get downvoted for saying things I don't like just because I don't like it. Also anyone who downvotes honest questions is just being mean.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It doesn't have to be a button. Just let users see how many other users saw their comment. If a user scrolls into the comments section and stops on my comment for a second or two, that counts as a read.

Alternatively, tally up the total number of user-seconds spent viewing my comment. Or maybe an average. Just something that lets me know I'm not a ghost!

[–] addie@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on what kind of post it is.

General discussion threads, sure - 'up' = 'good content', 'down' = 'irrelevant'. Irrelevant could be because it's not to do with the matter at hand, it could be hateful, trollish, whatever.

Post asking for a specific fact, like in ye olde askahistorian? Up = correct, down = incorrect. Doesn't matter how well written or how good the intent is, downvoting for disinformation.

One of the things that Slashdot got right was being able to upvote / downvote with a reason. (Perhaps only being able to upvote / downvote occasionally too, which stops brigading.) Made it possible to filter on why things were good, save ruining your fake internet points when you were mistaken about something as opposed to being an arsehole.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting! I’ve kinda thought this myself, that having a sort of sentiment meta data attached to online actions would be an interesting way to go, kind of as a substitute for the body language and gestures we use and pick up on in real life.

[–] Socialphilosopher@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I want an article to be read by others, I give an upvote. I'll downvote if I don't want it. It has nothing to do with my side of the idea or the event. For example, a rape news was shared. My upvoting does not mean that I support the incident, it just means that it will come to the fore so others can see it.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Upvotes mean "people should see this". Downvotes mean "there is no reason for anyone to see this".

[–] lugal@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Disagreement is maybe best communicated by the absence of an upvote?

There is a quote "You can not not communicate" but on the internet you can. If I get no upvotes, I don't know if no one has seen it or people actively ignored it and it's a bad advice to feel disagreed on when no upvotes.

I personally feel frustrated when I get downvotes but no comments because I don't know why I'm downvoted. Some instances here in the lemmyverse (like mine) don't have downvotes enabled so I don't even see downvotes.

I think it's best to engage in a conversation if you disagree in a constructive way and downvote without comment if you feel this is beyond help.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Downvote for bad technical advise, I think the person is a bad actor/bad faith argument, or if the person turns ~~hostile~~ to ad hominem attacks. I try not to downvote if I'm putting the effort into debating someone.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

Don't feel bad. I down vote things I don't want to see. Others much want to see that but I am putting my 2cents in.

This isn't reddit getting downvoted won't mean you can only post every 10mins. You can post as much as you want

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The latter. If it's just disagreement a quick reply is best, and sometimes it gets worked out just fine.

[–] Llewellyn@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Lol, point taken. It has to be an actual rebuttal, and I guess that does take time. Downvoting everything you don't immediately agree with seems like a bad policy, though.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Originally up- and down votes were intended to crowd source filtering and rating content in a community. So voting up for things you want to see more of and vote down spam or content that is unfit for the community. But people will tend to upvote things they agree with and downvote those they deem wrong - I also find myself doing something like that. I now try to follow these rules:

  • Upvote things I like (or agree with)
  • Don't vote on things I don't agree with or think are dumb
  • Downvote things that I feel really don't belong here.

It helps that lemmy currently shows the number of up and down votes instead of just the score, it gives a bit more inhibition before downvoting stuff.

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[–] stappern@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

neither.... it should be an indication of how much its related to the topic at hand...

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on what kind of "I don't agree". If somebody asks for people's favorite food, I'm not going to dislike all other answers... But if it's a more serious question, and an answer just has a really bad take that I don't agree with, that's getting a dislike.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I enjoy reading thoughtful content that I disagree with. I downvote based on perceived intent of the comment or post. If it’s just mean, hateful, trolling, wildly off-topic, or anything like that it will get a downvote.

[–] astroturds@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

I only downvote hateful stuff or obvious bots and spam. The same as I do on anything with upvotes and downvotes.

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Downvotes = “I disagree” or “this is bad and you should feel bad”?

I withhold downvotes until it means "this is disinformation, or misinformation so wrong-headed it could mislead those new to the topic"

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

Same, and also "this has already been said in this thread. You should have upvoted the existing comment." Basically a tool to improve signal-to-noise ratio of the discussion.

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

A downvote for me is: this is content i don't want in my feed

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I disagree so I gave you a downvote

[–] ironcrotch@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

More like get this shit outa here

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I think someone else mentioned the same here, but as I've browsed down the opinions, I wonder if it's good for different communities to have their own subculture on what votes mean.

For sure, outsiders dropping by might vote 'counter-culturally' and unhelpfully, but you can get a general sense of understanding in a community.

For r/all-alike stuff I'm sure things are different.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Downvotes = disabled on my instance

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Haha yep.

And beehaw too. Wonder how many others.

I feel like this is a good approach. Honestly an invisible voting system might be better cause how many up or down votes something has prevents others from fully forming their own opinion.

[–] Saigonauticon@voltage.vn 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's some part of my brain that applies display:none to the upvote/downvote function on every platform.

So if I don't vote on your content it's not because I hate it. My brain is just wired to automatically edit out anything that's not content. Mostly this means ads, but voting features seem to have been caught in the net too.

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