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TL;DR

  • The European Council has ended its adoption procedure for rules related to phones with replaceable batteries.
  • By 2027, all phones released in the EU must have a battery the user can easily replace with no tools or expertise.
  • The regulation intends to introduce a circular economy for batteries.
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[–] reclipse@lemdro.id 53 points 1 year ago

The headline says it's official. But then the article mentions -

Now, the only step left is for the European Council and Parliament to sign on the dotted line.

So it's not official?? Can anyone explain please??

[–] 0421008445828ceb46f496700a5fa6@kbin.social 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully this doesn't go the way of charging cables and we have a different battery shape for every phone... Otherwise a 2040 regulation will be to standardize battery shape(s)

[–] Vega@feddit.it 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Battery shape (and connector) will sadly still be a thing for a long time, and usually it's for engineering reasons, so I don't really think it will be possible to standardize it

[–] DeanFogg@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We really should just adopt the "best one" that becomes the standard. Only change it with significant advancement

[–] richardwonka@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

There isn’t one β€œbest one”. Always depends on requirements, which vary by device, underlying technology and use case.

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[–] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well battery shapes will be custom, but the regulation does include demand to offer said batteries as spare parts.

shall ensure that those batteries are available as spare parts of the equipment that they power for a minimum of five years after placing the last unit of the equipment model on the market, with a reasonable and non-discriminatory price for independent professionals and end-users.

This being EU, EU will actually even police that reasonability clause via consumer protection agencies. You might not like the still probably pretty hefty price, but outright monopoly price gouging will not be allowed. Atleast not with in EU jurisdiction. Also makers will tend to gravitate to number of pretty standard battery sizes and geometries. Simply out of economies of scale. If you have to offer the batteries available as spares. You don't want to offer 150 different battery models on you warehousing and supply to your retail stores. You want as few as possible. Maybe say 5 different sizes or maybe couple ten different kinds on the biggest makers with the largest product range. Cheaper to buy more of similar batteries from battery supplier, than have custom module developed for each new phone model. Well unless one is apple and only has couple new models per year. They probably will have now just little bit different optimized shape battery for each models, but they also have the scale per model to make sense for that.

also:

Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components.

Meaning companies can't use software locks to deny third party batteries. Since the language says compatible battery, not replacement battery. Which wouldn't make sense anyway, since replacement battery would be the one the OEM offers. Ofcourse I'm sure there will be lot of hurdur by makers over "don't use third party batteries, those aren't as safe" and "well but that isn't compatible". However as one remembers during the early 2000's and upto mid 2010's there was a very healthy both OEM and third party replacement battery market. As with that experience, yes shoddy batteries from non-reputable people can be problem. However in this basic consumer electronic safety regulation (aka you can't just shovel anything to the market with utterly nuts unsafe circuitry in the first place) and the market itself handles it. Again it will be found out over little time, which makers are the reputable ones with the good batteries with all the proper safeties and good production quality. Reputable big chain electronics dealers then focus on only offering the established reputable third party batteries and parts out of their own reputation (You sold me a shoddy battery. I burst and ruined my phone. I'm never buying from this phone store ever again). Plus same with the actual makers with stuff like offering extensive warranties, warranting the replacement of the device, if their battery messes it up and so on.

This is all "we have already been here" ground except instead of the T9 numpad on the phone front, there is now a whole front covering touch screen on it's place.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 29 points 1 year ago

It is a special day when there is happy tech news. This is a day for celebration. Having done my own battery replacements some have been a nightmare to do with all the glue and hoping the screen doesn't break. I look forward to this, since with rise of phone costs I don't intend to update frequently. I'd actually change my battery annually if it wasn't such a hassle.

[–] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Now we just need headphone jacks and SD cards and lineageos support and my dream phone will be mandated.

[–] reclipse@lemdro.id 10 points 1 year ago

Not having SD card is real painful.

[–] serv@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Xperia phones have headphone jacks and SD cards. Pretty sure you can install lineage on them as well.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I pretty much stopped using my phone for audio when they got rid of the headphone jack.

Wireless headphones still aren't great and most are uncomfortable. It's super annoying keeping them charged and they are so expensive when you consider how short their lifespan is.

[–] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I listen to certain YouTube videos to get to sleep and have for years and years. Wireless ear buds just aren't in the cards for something like that.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in a similar boat. The only time I do plug in headphones (via the usb port) is on nights I'm having a very hard time fall asleep. But I do that at the expense of being able to charge my phone πŸ˜”

[–] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 3 points 1 year ago

Man, that sucks. One of the other things for me is that you can buy decent headphones for like seven bucks with a 3.5mm jack. Most USB headsets are going to be a lot more expensive.

Does your phone support qi charging? That could be a solution if it does.

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[–] esty@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if this makes batteries smaller so be it

let’s go back to 2012 and carry a few of them at a time

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[–] troplin@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I donβ€˜t know how to feel about this. While It’s nice to be able to replace the battery, I very much prefer the durability of todays phones over those flimsy removable back plates that used to be common in the 00s.

I really hope they mean that no special tools/skill are required. They should just standardize one type of micro screwdriver that everyone has to use.

Replaceable batteries inevitably also have to be sturdier s.t. they donβ€˜t pose a fire hazard, making the entire phone bulkier or reducing battery life.

My iPhone XR is now over 4 years old and battery capacity is still at 80%, getting me through the day easily.
Before that I had an iPhone 4s where I replaced the battery after ~6 years. I was really disappointed with the new battery and ended up buying a new phone anyway after a few weeks.

My phone is the device that I use the most by a huge margin. It doesnβ€˜t bother me too much if I have to replace it every 5-6 years. And Iβ€˜m pretty environmetally conscious in general.

[–] lemmy@lemmy.hugovr.dev 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah those old Nokia's are notoriously flimsy because of the removable batteries πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah. If you owned one and don't get all your information from memes on reddit, they were incredibly flimsy. It was all cheap ass plastic that was clipped in, they would break and your phone would be heald together by hopes and dreams.

Gee, I can't understand how my lgg3 is still in one piece, what with that replaceable battery making it so flimsy.

It's almost as if I'm imagining it being able to turn on because it fell apart when I sat it on the table three years ago.

Good thing it broke back then! Otherwise, I might have spent tens of dollars on replacement batteries each year!

Not to mention all the tablets that broke because they were flimsy with replaceable batteries. The galaxytab 2 and 3 alone would have blown up from materials fatigue if I'd replaced those batteries over the years. Whew, what a relief I don't have to have them in use as digital picture frames like I would have otherwise.

[–] Skiptrace@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

My Galaxy S5 never felt flimsy. It was even highly waterproof for the time because it had a COVER for the USB Port attached to the phone! It even had a gasp HEADPHONE JACK!

[–] Hogger85b@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Of my last three phones battery has not been the issue I disposed. Mostly it is they grind to halt software wise as they fail to cope with newer apps expectations for storage or ram, I change my phone every 3 to 4 years.

[–] Gabadabs@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'd like to see this influence the smartphones being sold in the US as well. One of the primary things that keeps me replacing my smartphones is battery life, so being able to replace the battery would be incredible.

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[–] Blxter@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They should do the same for laptops

[–] reclipse@lemdro.id 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think laptops are also covered.

[–] Blxter@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed in the article it says all battery powered devices... Does that also mean somehow headphones(wireless) earbuds, watches, etc

They have standard lithium ion sizes that are tiny; there's no reason why they couldn't add threading to earbuds so that you could unscrew them.

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[–] grey@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago
[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes the EU is just based af.

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[–] ssm@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why the hell do we need to wait for 2027 for this? Perfect amount of time for something like this to get overturned at the last minute.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much time do you think it takes to design a new phone?

A week, because a car takes 5 years and a phone is 1/250 the size of a car?

[–] reclipse@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Do you think smartphone manufacturers will still make them water resistant?

[–] shoelace@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It might be harder to pull that off without making the phone thicker in the process, but still possible.

[–] tal@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't really care about thickness, though I would rather the thickness be used for a larger battery than for a replaceable battery.

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[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just need a tray you pull out of the side of the device that contains the battery with a gasket and a latch. Like a really big SIM or SD card tray.

The manufacturers can take the space needed from the battery making them even smaller and just blame regulators for the change while maintaining roughly the same phone without the battery for the rest of the world. At least that's what I imagine they'll do because corporations are always slimy like that.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They might just abandon the water resistance and blame the regulators, that's what I'm afraid of.

[–] tal@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'm sure that it's possible to do both, though it'd eat even more space for gaskets or whatever.

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[–] koyu@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Now let me replace the operating system, have unified drivers and I'll be fine with it

[–] Molochalter@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Inb4 they make the batteries crap and proprietary.

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[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Although I support the idea, I'm not sure how useful this is for android phones. All android phones I've owned have long gone out of update support before the batteries have noticeably degraded.

[–] UlrikHD@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

4 years since the last update on my phone, I really don't see why I would change unless core apps like Firefox were to stop working.

[–] generic_lemmy_user@lemmy.twilightparadox.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Software doesn't stop working. Up to date software becomes so slow on obsolete hardware it makes you pull your hair out trying to use it.

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[–] izzent@mastodon.social 5 points 1 year ago

@reclipse Good! Stop e-waste

[–] Brochetudo@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

We've gone full circle. This used to be the way!

While this is great will they also make the manufacturer allow external storage up to 2tb?

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