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On the instance I'm using, my comments and posts have disappeared. It is ok?

I had a few helpful comments here that I saved, but it's all gone.

Having got used to the stability in Mastodon I was surprised by such things in Lemmy as:

Unable to log into your account through the app after an update on the server.

Unable to log into your account through the app if your instance version is out of date.

Just because you've created a post or written a comment doesn't mean other Lemmy users will see it.

I have to constantly check to see if my messages are visible on other instances.

You also need to have many sub-accounts on different instances in case some of the primary instances are unavailable.

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I have wildly more patience for Lemmy's glitches than I do for Reddit's. Lemmy's devs are working on a shoestring budget with just a few people trying to prop up a whole social network. The project is still pretty early in its life cycle.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lot of the mentioned issues are caused by instances having different versions.

This could be fixed with API versioning. As in you support the last couple versions of the API rather than only the new one.

[–] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I believe this most recent update to v0.19 was somewhat unique in the regard of login incompatibility across versions, as major breaking changes to authentication itself were the focus of it.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Exactly. Those people are paid salaries. They have teams working on things. When something is allowed to go wrong, someone either didn’t do the job they’re paid for, or they’re incompetent/apathetic. They’re using proven software that’s been around a while.

When there’s a problem with a Lemmy instance, then maybe the one person responsible was at the job that actually pays their rent. They’re working with beta software that’s full of “surprises”.

[–] Sticker@lemy.nl 2 points 10 months ago

Since your reply to the post for xarexyouxmadx is not visible from this instance, I will reply here.

We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren't the only ones.

Has this problem gone unresolved for a long time?
Right now, a similar issue with the instance lemmy.today

Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.

The first instance I was registered on doesn't exist anymore either. It was celeb.pizza

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've made the assessment that the growing pains are worth weathering, because Lemmy as a platform and wider community gives me much more joy than any big corpo platform I've ever tried.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm willing to put up with Lemmy's glitches. The vast majority of admins, mods, and developers are volunteers doing what they do (largely for free) simply because they think it's worth doing. If it were a product I paid for I would not be near as chill about it.

Lemmy was a fairly young project when everyone started piling in from Reddit. If the glitches you're experiencing bother you that badly, perhaps consider contributing to the project, the network or your homeserver. Open source projects work best when everyone contributes what they can, when they can and as they can.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nope, even a buggy, glitchy Lemmy is a head and shoulders better experience than any shitty corpo social media.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago

I think many of us feel that way. Just getting away from that shit is worth a lot of smaller glitches here on Lemmy. :)

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 10 months ago

no.

its ver 0.19, how can you hold something so obviously in development to such standards?

[–] xilliah 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Ya sometimes my posts magically are deleted or hidden or pictures don't upload. But still a great experience for me due to the wholesomeness.

And it's awesome that you can use pictures in comments.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

tbf reddit also allows that with markdown

[–] xilliah 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It does? I was on there since digg and never seen that.

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[–] Sticker@lemy.nl 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Was reading comments through the RaccoonForLemmy app and your comment looked like this:
Screenshot

After a while, the app froze and closed by itself. However, after I reopened the app everything looked normal.

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[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm self-hosting and it has been ridiculously smooth coupled with Voyager as my mobile app. Now I understand that a single user instance is a lot easier to handle than a multi-user one so I naturally don't have any experience or opinion on how Lemmy instances scale with users in terms of stability.

[–] Sticker@lemy.nl 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right now, another bug has manifested itself. Your message is shown in the "Replies" tab in Jerboa's inbox, but it is not visible in the comments of the message thread.

For a few months, I couldn't log into this instance through apps.
Yesterday, the lemmy.today instance stopped sending posts and messages to the Lemmy network. I only found out about it when I logged in through another instance in asklemmy and saw that my post wasn't in the community.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This happened to me when my language settings weren't set. You can't even access them in jerboa, log in with a browser and check if English is selected besides default. And whatever else you wish to see.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago

You also need to make sure undetermined is checked

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

a little, but I’m dealing with it. 18 or so years ago, when reddit was new, it had a lot of bugs, was unstable, and would often go down for upgrades and maintenance.

although lemmy has been around for a few years, it hasn’t really been run or even tested as a serious platform until last summer when tens of thousands of new users flocked to it suddenly from reddit and both a bunch of new instances popped up and a bunch of new and rapid software releases brought a bunch of new features to handle the sudden growth. some growing pains are to be expected and, frankly, it’s all gone far more smoothly than I expected it would.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

18 Years ago I was more patient with things like that. Today my patience is only for shit that matters.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

aaaaand why don’t you think that taking the time to work out the bugs on this platform matters?

you do realize that this - all of this here that we’re participating in - is part of a big experiment run purely on volunteer work by a community-driven effort, and is entirely funded thereby. there’s no corporate effort at play here and no megabucks to bankroll it. that’s kinda the point of it all. so, if you’re dissatisfied with that state of things or by what you perceive as a lack of progress, I suggest you roll up your sleeves and dig in, contribute your time and effort to the development, or find some other way to contribute to the project and/or community in furtherance of its goals.

whining here about those things will get you precisely nowhere— especially when you either imply or outright declare that any of this doesn’t matter— or the idea that you’re entitled to something for nothing.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My family matters. My work matters. My pleasure activities matter. Whether or not some rando on the Internet is able to read my comment really doesn’t matter.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nobody here doubts that you’re selfish and self-centered with no care for anyone but yourself.

Whether or not some rando on the Internet is able to read my comment really doesn’t matter.

then why are you here trying so hard?

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’re calling me selfish for caring about my family, work, and real life things instead of the Internet? That’s just sad man.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What’s sad is that you have to twist my words to excuse your behavior.

And if you really didn’t care, you wouldn’t have been spending the last couple of days trying so hard to convince me.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’ve said very little, you seem like the one trying to convince yourself. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like your instance have federation issue, probably due to v0.19.0 updates. The latest version, v0.19.1, supposed to fix those federation issues. Not sure what's the server specs of your instance, but v0.19.x has increased database ram usage compared to previous versions, so if the instance is hosted on a tiny server, the admin may need to do some tinkering to make sure the federation process doesn't crash due to out-of-memory issue.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unfortunately, seems like 0.19.1 didn't fix it. I still have issues on some instances and posts. There is still something wrong with federation. Hope it gets fixed soon.

[–] RovingFox@infosec.pub 7 points 10 months ago

Not really, the benefits outweigh the consequences.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only major annoyance I’ve encountered so far was the federation issues with 0.19. My instance recently upgraded and broke federation with instances like .world, so I’ve been shouting into a void with my comments on some instances.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We had that at Lemmy.today too, but the instance admin fixed it just now. Go read their announcements communitity what they did.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! I'll link it to my instance's support community.

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The app? There are many, many clients for Lemmy. Thunder is able to handle multiple versions and multiple accounts on multiple instances. This is a client API implementation limitation of whatever client you are using. Not Lemmy itself.

As for the federation issues, they are being worked out. Each major version has improved the internal server logic, improving the reliability of the inter-instance communication. But the changes have also come with kinks, that have had to be worked out with each sub-version update, before the team bites off on the next big improvement.

v19 introduced changes to how the federation queue works, and these are currently causing higher resource usage than before. Because of this, some instances seem to be falling behind on syncing federated content.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Don't know what you're talking about

[–] communist 5 points 10 months ago

Not at all, it was annoying for a few weeks when reddit imploded but since then I haven't had any problems.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm on programming.dev and using boost and have only had a couple issues.

Occasional downtime.

I had a weird one where I had someone else's subscriptions and it gave a wrong user error every time I commented.

As for the apps. Unless they specifically code it to detect and handle the version it's going to break. Changes to the required input or the output between versions are going to break apps.

That's kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Overall it's been great. But it do keep an account on lemmy.world incase my one goes down.

[–] Sticker@lemy.nl 3 points 10 months ago

Looks like I'll have to get an account on one of the big instances like lemmy.world as they have less problems.

I also have the boost app installed which I use with the fanaticus.social instance. Today when I try to post a comment I get an error "Incorrect login".

That's kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Do similar problems exist in Mastodon and Misskey?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 points 10 months ago

I've not experienced any of the issues you mention. Why do you have to check other instances to see if your comments are visible. Trust that they will be eventually.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Looking at you lemm.ee

No reply from instance.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just because you’ve created a post or written a comment doesn’t mean other Lemmy users will see it.

I'm more annoyed that my instance presently reports a higher number of comments than what gets displayed (since moving to 19.0, I think). Sometimes, I can workaround that by changing the view, but often not. I wanna read what others have to contribute more than I care if they see what I say, but I was a lurker on the old site and I've never been on the mainstream socials.

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[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 4 points 10 months ago

I've had fewer errors overall than I have Reddit, but your mileage is going to vary drastically based on your instance. I've briefly tried other instances, even fairly popular ones, and I'd describe the experience as nearly unusable.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 points 10 months ago

I'm annoyed by my instance basically shutting down after I was told that it really didn't matter where I registered my Lemmy account back when I moved from Reddit.

[–] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

I guess I have had a great experience, I’ve never encountered any glitches with the mobile app. Always worked great.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

No. This is incredibly complex software run by people with little or no budget. I’m grateful that it exists at all.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Liftoff stopped working for me two weeks ago. I had to download a new app to use Lemmy again. Still better than reddit.

[–] Sticker@lemy.nl 3 points 10 months ago

I too have noticed that this app has stopped working. The developers haven't released an update for a long time.

[–] figjam@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

No. My experience has ben once things become stable and slick is when the enshittining begins.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maybe you should ask your admin in !meta@lemy.nl or !chat@lemy.nl what's up with the specific errors on your instance. Maybe they had some problems operating it. You can always switch instances. My posts never disappear without reason. (They can also be removed if they violate the terms of an instance or community.)

The other issues also annoy me. Federation is somewhat broken and posts and comments often don't propagate to other instances since Lemmy version 0.19.0 (and 0.19.1 which should have fixed that.) It's the fault of the Lemmy developers to release a broken update. We'll see if they continue doing that or if they have learned something. I think they want to hire a third full-time developer. Maybe that helps.

The need to re-login and unable to login with an older client happened once. Things like that can happen if bigger changes are made. I don't think this will become a regular thing. And it's not that annoying in my eyes. Most importantly clients have to handle that correctly and give a meaningful error message and guide you to the login page. But some proper error handling is also missing here.

So: Yes. The things you mentioned also annoy me. Lemmy has still lots of room for improvement. And it's nowhere near other federated platforms. I hope the Lemmy devs aren't repeating the most annoying mistakes and fix federation soon so this can be an issue of the past...

[–] vatw@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

At first, absolutely. Very frustrating, kept feeling the pull back you-know-where. But then after a while, it became kind of a zen thing, if i'm using that word properly? It gives me time to breath a bit, rather than just doom scrolling at an increasing rate.

Maybe kind of part of the Lemmy Ritual? Maybe I'm strange.

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