true all the way down to the silicon really. Unless you are prepared to do you own lithography you are on an untrusted platform.
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Of course this is true, but moving to a privacy respecting OS, like linux or buying a phone w a custom ROM installed goes a long, long way to improving the situation.
you are simply moving your trust base and saying that chip and board makers are more trustworthy. Unless you have the resources to validate the code you are running you are in the same boat in OSS, your trust is now in that FOSS community.
its necessity of course.
Privacy is not binary. There are degrees of privacy that can be achieved. Where you would like to be is totally based on your personal situation. If you are a beginner, understand that privacy is a journey.
Regarding which OSes you could use for your computer if Linux is not an option:
Windows in my experience is the worst offender when it comes to telemetry. It is so ingrained in the OS that you'll never be certain there isn't any telemetry regardless of the measures you take. MacOS on the other hand can be configured in such of way that Apple will have very little if any telemetry on you. It also has good permission controls which would cover things like screen capture and logging of keystrokes which you mentioned above. You could do the following:
- Purchase a Macbook
- Opt out of using an Apple Account (as of today it's optional)
- Opt out of using iCloud
- Opt out of any telemetry
- Turn on built-in firewall
- Turn on disk encryption
- Install Lulu or Little Snitch to block any Apple telemetry
This alone will probably put you in a better position than 99% of people (not an actual statistic).
I'm not a Mac guy, but I get the sense that using a Mac without engaging in any of Apple's ecosystem would result in a very degraded experience
It might be degraded comparing to default experience but it’s not like you are missing something that you have on other OS. I mean, you can’t iMessage on Linux, right?
No you can't but you can also have a Linux box for significantly less than apple. Guess that's the price of ease of access though.
Honestly it doesnt make the experience much worse in my experience
Agreed. I was using Apple products for more than a decade before switching to Linux and Android, and I opted out of several of their products long before I started considering the privacy aspects of things. For example, I found the experience of using something like iPhoto to be very lackluster. I reluctantly ended up using iCloud due to the superior pricing compared to Dropbox, which I used before. That was a particular nightmare when migrating away from the Apple "ecosystem".
I'm sure their products cater to many users preferences, but I'm not one of those, and had a better experience using other products. That should've made me jump ship way earlier than I did, but a combination of cost (by the time I would've changed, I had already purchased a new MacBook which I ended up using for about 6 years) and inertia.
You have some margin to work with. Of course it's not going to be as effective than switching OS but you can use privacy focused firewall. For example Portmaster on windows or tracker control on Android.
These firewall will try to block as much telemetry as possible.
You should also be cautious about what you install on your system, opensource app usually have a better track record regarding privacy.
Take control was a game changer for me on android. I recommend it for everyone. Its both fun and annoying to go poking around the trackers everytime i need to make a new app work. I'm going to look up Portmaster.
It was wild to learn just how many unexpected apps need a Pinterest tracker to properly load their graphics.
Linux is not like a custom ROM, it's just an OS like any other (but many distros do respect your privacy). But yeah, custom Roms are the only way to have privacy on phones other than just using dumb phones. Support open source projects and manufacturers that make devices that use open source software!
Mac is less intrusive than Windows. Windows 10 is a whole lot less intrusive than Windows 11. You can lock Windows 10 down even more if you use Shut Up 10. It's an amazing piece of freeware. Just be aware that Windows will reset a lot of your options after major updates.
Duck Duck Go is more secure than any other search engine and browser. Firefox is next in the list if you're not on a Mac. Get uBlock Origin and NextDNS.io.
Don't give your real information to companies when possible. Don't browse the web logged into Google, Facebook, Reddit, TikTok, etc.
I would say there's an argument to be made against duckduckgo with how they're not open source, and the whole allowing Microsoft trackers deal, but it is definitely a better option than google or bing. I don't understand why you're mentioning their browser however, as there are definitely much better alternatives.
You'll be a lot less private, but it's not black and white.
This is a highly loaded question.
You are making a number of very poor assumptions based on a number of ridiculous misconceptions.
The average, everyday, human adult is fully capable of understanding their own personal "threat landscape". How they deal with that will vary.
For most; if not all, average consumers; their concerns are still very limited. They're not so much concerned with the provenance, the history, of companies...they just want to duck for the oncoming threats in their landscape. These metaphorical tree branches are what they're ducking under. They have no logical need to fear the entire tree.
Personally, I choose not to live like Stallman, nor do I have fears of big state repercussions like Snowden does. Neither does your average consumer. Functionality is the top priority. Functionality on-par with the CSSC (Closed-Source Software, Corporate) competitor is critical. If the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) version can do exactly what people typically want and expect it to do AND cost less monetarily AND can impact their privacy way less than using the CSSC competitor would, then it will be adopted by many and loved by all who use it.
This isn't to say that privacy does not matter.
It simply means that privacy is a spectrum; and everyone has varying privacy wants and needs. For some reason, a large potion of the "tech-savvy" people in the FLOSS community feel the need to measure their superiority in "How private their systems are." The average user does not give a damn about that dick measuring contest; and really would rather not be bothered. They just want the amount of privacy that is right for them, and their specific situation.
It is best to put your ego aside when discussing privacy, or helping someone else to discover and improve their own privacy.
For computers, you dont have to switch to linux, I'm currently using ReviOS (a custom version of windows) but I might try AME 10 later. But sure, it's still messing with installing operating system since it needs a clean windows install, alternatively you can use software like O&O Shutup10 but I noticed that some options doesn't exist in Windows 11 as compared to Windows 10, I've also tried winutil but it caused task manager to close really slowly for me
Privacy is not a black & white thing. Every step you take matters. And being entirely private without digital footprint is impossible unless you isolate yourself from the internet entirely.
To answer your question. Yes, they spy on you. To what degree depends on the OS and your settings. But they always cost you some privacy.
But it's never useless to take other steps just because you don't want to or can't switch OS. Because you'll still give them less data if you do. They might still have info on you. But the less, the better.
Taking easier steps like switching mail provider and other services you use to privacy-minded ones are a good and easy start anyone can do. Replacing apps/programs on your system with FOSS or privacy-minded ones is another good one.
Even the biggest noob can make a Proton account and use it instead of Gmail/Outlook. Use 1Password instead of your device/browser's password manager. Use LibreOffice instead of MS Office. Check F-droid for apps before Google Play (and perhaps even use Aurora when you do need it). Use FireFox instead of Edge or Chrome. Install a FOSS keyboard on your phone. Get rid of Social Media. Use Signal instead of WhatsApp. Those are just some example of easy my-grandpa-can-do-this level of difficulty options that already greatly improve your privacy (in fact, after I installed it for him, my grandpa does many of these!). Is it as private as an extremely hardened custom device by a security expert? Nah, but it's definitly much beter than a default device full of big-tech apps. Even if you just do 1 of them!
Since every step counts, I think we should apploud people for caring and starting to take steps instead of deminish them for not going in to the max. Changes like this are slow, especially with a big mass of people. The more people show they care, the more privacy-minded alternatives grow and show up and the more normal it becomes to care about privacy.
There are user friendly options if you're willing to use them. There's /e/ foundation's Murena phone that you can buy. It's based on LineageOS for microG with a custom launcher much like iOS. It works out of the box, no tinkering. There's also GrapheneOS that has a web interface for installation. It is only for Google Pixel phones and takes a different approach to privacy than LineageOS for microG. They both work in protecting your privacy. As far as computer OSes, there are many "easy to use" options for the novice - PopOS & Linux Mint are the best two that come to mind.
for mobile a low effort approach is to simply buy a dumbphone and a faraday bag and you're good to go.
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