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[–] AClassyGentleman@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I mean I'd say organizing to overthrow the socioeconomic system causing climate change is the most productive thing you can do but I suppose that does involve taking to people yes.

[–] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It’s not the system it’s the corporations. The government telling coke and Pepsi to stop using plastic would do more for climate change and the environment in a month than if everyone recycled all plastics forever

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Insert They're_The_Same_Picture.jpg

If you think government decisions are independent of corporations, you've not been paying attention ( US, UK, but pretty much every other state on the planet).

They are both part of the same system designed to keep you working for their profit, and they both need getting rid of.

[–] Flygone@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

It's many things coming together.

It's governments not regulating properly, capitalism demanding infinite growth, and consumers mindlessly consuming which creates demand.

There's lots of avenues for change, and we should follow all of them at the same time.

[–] CephalonFaye@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

The fact that a few companies can cause that much pollution is still proof that the system is shit in my opinion.

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[–] Plus_a_Grain_of_Salt 1 points 2 years ago

unfortunately; yes.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

That also gets you sudicided figuratively and literally, the assholes are smart

[–] jaanus20@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I tried that while I hadn't given up yet, people don't listen.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that has a lot to do with most climate related talking points being about personal responsibility and how "every little helps" while ignoring the pollution spewing monsters that are militaries and corporation chugging along in the background (and this is, of course, by design - get the people pointing fingers at each other while those at the top continue to exploit us all and destroy the planet).

So it doesn't only feel futile, it is futile to try and change individuals, when those actually responsible do nothing to change their ways lest they bring in 1 billion in profit instead of 5. No amount of recycling, taking a bus, going vegan, or even going completely zero waste is going to actually change anything (nothing wrong with those things, still do them if you like, I do some myself, but be realistic about the impact. For truly impactful change, the whole thing need abolishing, there is no reforming a system that is working exactly as intended.).

[–] Plus_a_Grain_of_Salt 2 points 2 years ago

Oh shit thank you for reminding me. This idea that it's our individual responsibility to prevent climate change rather than our largest producers/manufactures was a goddamn marketing ploy in the 1920s. It was spear headed by disposable companies like Dixie as people were getting more upset about littering, the public thought companies making one use items was incredibly wasteful and the reason for an abundance of litter in city areas. With the companies PR efforts, they were able to convince the general public that it's not the producers of the litter that cause the problem, but the people who use it. We had a chance to kill the disposable industry and we missed it, I hope it comes back around some day.

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[–] Emberwatch@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

Shoutout to the homies at the Citizen's Climate Lobby, where you can take like 5 minutes to fill in a mostly pre-written message to your reps and tell them to fucking act on climate legislation. Dunno if it's cool to post links, but this just takes you to it with no hassle (also don't trust strangers' links on the internet; you can google "citizens climate lobby write congress" and get to the same destination):

https://cclusa.org/write

If you're doing nothing else about climate change, at least do this. You've got five fucking minutes to spare to help sound the alarm bell if you're browsing a comment section. Don't be a doomer who doesn't actually do anything, otherwise you're just ruining your own day for no reason.

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