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Daniel Ricciardo will make a sensational return to front-line Formula 1 racing at the upcoming Hungarian Grand Prix, with the Australian set to replace Nyck de Vries at the AlphaTauri team for the rest of the season.

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[–] rullstolsroger@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow, did not see this coming. I know he hasn't performed at Yuki's level yet, but given De Vries' previous achievements I would assume that he would eventually adapt. Feels like something must have gone sour internally between him and the team to get chucked out before the summer break.

[–] ZickZack@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I think you also have to keep in mind the position that de Vries and redbull is in:

  • Redbull is looking for a second verstappen-level driver. That's always been the case not only for redbull, but all tier 1 teams: Their aspirations are championships, not points or even podiums.
  • De Vries is a 28 year old rookie. That's usually the time that drivers retire or lean on their superior experience to make up for their loss in reaction speed and overall pace. The problem is that De Vries has no experience, while being older than Verstappen by close to three years. The fact that he got to race at all is a miracle: He would have to beat Tsunoda every week by quite a margin to become relevant for RedBull. If he doesn't become relevant for redbull, then why have him at alpha tauri?

Meanwhile they have a young driver in the form of tsunoda which exists in a limbo due to him having nothing to compare against: He could be the fastest driver on the planet in a trash car, or he could be underdelivering without anyone noticing due to the lack of comparison.
This is bad for two reasons:

  1. you don't know whether tsunoda is an option for redbull
  2. you have no idea how good alpha tauri is over all, which is doubly bad considering that they want to make major changes to how alpha tauri operates.

On the other hand, you have a perfectly good Ricciardo sitting on his hands that performed really well at silverstone. Realistically, you aren't going to lose anything from having Riccardo drive the rest of the season compared to having de Vries drive, but you have to potential upside of more context to the quality of tsunoda and the team, which you wouldn't get otherwise.

In general I'm more suprised that they ever gave De Vries a chance considering his age and the context to his big achievements:
In formula 2 his stiffest competitor was Nicholas Latifi (He won with 266 vs Latifi's 214 points) in what can be described as a dud year after the majority of now F1 mainstays had already graduated (he also needed 3 years to win F2, which is never a good sign).
If you have ever seen an formula E race, you will notice that it is quite a chaotic crash-fest with very weird rules and other nonsense. Just not crashing and not driving to quickly can get you really far by surviving the carbon-fiber mayhems and fuel-conservation issues.
To put it into perspective, here are the race records in the year that De Vries won formula E [1st, 9th, retired, retired, 1st, 16th, retired, 9th, retired, 13th, 18th, 2nd, 2nd, 22nd, 8th] or, in short if we ignore all DNFs we get a mean position of 9th!

In short, there's a reason why Mercedes never even tried to get him an F1 spot: He's not a bad driver, but being "not a bad driver" is insufficient for a top team like mercedes and redbull. There's little incentive to put him into any car, even less so nowadays considering his age.

[–] cjsolx@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't see De Vries being replaced so soon, but you've been living under a Ric if you didn't hear about the short leash Marko was giving him. His clock started ticking ages ago and he hasn't shown anything since then.

[–] _ed@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess this means we will get a Daniel Ricciardo focused episode in the next DTS after all :D

[–] wreel@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

What we all really wanted anyway

[–] Sentau@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Considering that Ricciardo's struggle with McLaren was the bad and weird braking performance and considering that tsunoda has struggled with braking several times in the alpha tauri this may not end good for Ric. It will be good to see him back though.

[–] Radioaktvt@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This cat has 9 lives. Really hoping he lands on his feet and does well at AT. He truly is one of my favorite drivers both on and off the track. Really wish him the best and hoping he finds a good drive next season.

[–] DarkwinDuck@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately Riccardo has always had the Problem that he's inconsistent. He can win races and challenge for the podium. But he can also barely make it to Q2 a few races later.

Not that I blame him for that. It's just that there are more consistent driver out there.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

He'd make a great team mate with perez

[–] pvr 3 points 1 year ago

I really hope he performs well!

[–] f15h@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Checo must be sweating and praying Ricciardo still hasn't found his groove.

[–] maskapony@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From The Guardian's article on this:

The Red Bull team principal, Christian Horner, said at the British Grand Prix that the team were still committed to Pérez. “He’s the type of guy that just needs an arm around his shoulder and you work with him,” he said. Tellingly, in 2020, Horner said of Albon, then also struggling at Red Bull: “We need to be patient with him and we’ll put an arm around his shoulder and make sure he feels he’s got the support.” Albon was replaced at the end of the season by Pérez.

[–] genuineparts@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

That is fairly damning.

[–] reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago

We need to have an arm around them to just push them off the cliff. So telling.

[–] NusPojava@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Weren't people crying that Mick got replaced by Hulk after 2 years of not performing, but suddenly it's okay if a younger driver is replaced after 10 races by an underperforming veteran?

[–] supersonicstork 3 points 1 year ago

I think the contexts are different. De Vries is 28, with three FE world championships, Mick was a proper rookie. After De Vries' race with Williams, expectations were also a lot higher.

I don't think firing De Vries this early is fair though, at least 1 full season should be the norm for more experienced rookies. 2 years for recent F2 grads makes sense.

RB and by extension AT also seem to have inconsistent tolerance for driver performance, which makes me think something else is going on behind the scenes.

[–] wheresbicki@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is typical of Red Bull. No one should be surprised by this. Hell Kyvatt was ahead of Ricciardo in championship points when they demoted him to Toro Rosso, and then he got replaced again in the middle of the season for Max.

Albon had a short stint at Red Bull, they did Pierre Gasly dirty too.

These are all examples of drivers who showed strong races and have gotten podiums.

Nyck never raced well this year.

[–] NusPojava@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be honest, apart from Kvyat, I don't feel bad for Gasly or Albon. Albon had 30ish races and was woeful and Gasly argued with Newey of all people. Red Bull got to do what they got to do, however, why Ricciardo and not a RB junior?

[–] wheresbicki@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Albon and Gasly have demonstrated they are good drivers. My point was even good drivers get the boot at cutthroat Redbull.

[–] running_squirrel@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because it's two completely different situations. Yes, Mick has the sympathy bonus because of his name BUT: One was a young driver cutted in the age of 23 after coming directly from F2 after winning it in the second season and showing that he's evolving. The other one is 28, won F2 in his third year (being older than Mick when he was cutted by Haas), didn't make it to F1 and didn't really shine in Formula E while getting lucky to win it 2021 with a randomized qualifying format and a shit show farce in Valencia.

[–] wahni 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn’t see that many crying about Mick, no.

But even if so, hiring Nyck, a relatively old “rookie”, was a bet that his experience from other series would translate well to F1. His performance at Monza was an indication that this could be the case. I was on the Nyck hype train in the beginning of the season too. But clearly he has not performed better than many other rookies, which means that his age and experience are actually working against him. With this in mind it’s not that strange of a decision by AT/RB. By putting Ricciardo in a seat now they can evaluate Yuki, Perez, and Ricciardo better in preparation for next season, to later take a more informed decision about which driver to put in which seat then.

[–] Lintson@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both Happy and Sad for DR. He gets a drive but I think the Haas would have been the better car for him to shine in. The AT could very well be the nail in the coffin of his F1 career.

[–] _ed@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think AT could prove hes worthy of an RB seat. With Alex showing his worth at Williams there could be a few contenders though.

[–] wheresbicki@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way that will ever happen. Red bull would rather wait to grab a younger star like Leclerc or Norris. This is just a convenient way to put more pressure on Perez.

[–] Lintson@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think more pressure on Perez will actually produce results. If they want constructor points Red Bull might want to consider taking the bananas risk of producing a car that both their drivers can drive at full tilt.

[–] reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago

The goal Ric must have been given would be beat Checo in quali to get his position next year. With perez being demoted to AT.

[–] kostabi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

He took the cash to sit on the sidelines rather than compete after a couple of seasons not performing.

Not exactly the form of someone even near the top of his game any more. Maybe the break was the mental reset he needed? I hope so, but I'm sceptical.

[–] bruzie@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Nyck getting the Latifi treatment...will be 21 out of 20 drivers.

[–] Nightmaru@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is wild, I thought De Vries would at least finish out the season.

[–] bruzie@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago
[–] IOII19@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

GUESS WHO'S BACK. BACK AGAIN.

[–] Lintson@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago

MARKOS BACK! CAREERS END.