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[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Hey, I hear you're a programmer! That's great, because my buddy and I have this idea for a business. We have everything important figured out, and all we need is a programmer to throw it together."

The sheer number of times I have been approached with this same phrase... πŸ˜‚

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

I fell for it once, high school friend, seemed like a reasonable idea, I was early in my career and looking for experience. I did learn a lot but ultimately the business failed before it started and I got paid a few 100 for nearly as many hours work.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good article, but I'd guess the reality is more like 25-50x as much work as non-technical people assume, and a good interface takes about 5x the work of everything else.

They don't merely underestimate the non-interface work, they greatly underestimate the interface work as well.

[–] robinm@programming.dev 18 points 10 months ago

As a rough estimation, if you include everything (apperance, discussion, functionality, interaction with other controls, …) I would say that every single input field or button is about a day of work. And then you start to realise how many buttons there is in any GUI and how much it will cost.

[–] Mischala@lemmy.nz 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, could you do your job for free for me during your free time? Because I don't respect your time.
Also, I need your skills, but conversely, I believe they are wholely worthless, so I am offering literally nothing in compensation.

The words of either a sociopath or reality divorced narcissist.

there isn't that much to it

This gets to me soooo hard. If there's so little to it, why are you talking to a professional?
Surely your advanced business intellect is enough to bash out this tiny easy program?

Edit: un-inuendo'ed

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gets me soooo hard

I think I know what you meant but be aware that this can be very misinterpreted.

[–] Mischala@lemmy.nz 4 points 10 months ago

Lol oops. Was so angry wasn't thinking of the innuendo.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

We have everything important figured out

well that's how we know that you haven't, because if you had actually spent enough time on it to think everything through, you wouldn't be so confident about what you know and what you don't know

[–] ericjmorey@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

This isn't a software thing. This is people filtering for suckers. They want to find other people to do their work but they want to keep the value created from that work.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

The three points

  1. software is easy to write
  2. in a business, the software is the icing on the cake
  3. software developers are cogs in a machine, or interchangeable components of an assembly line

These are pervasive within business. There's a strong divide between business folk and workers. To business folk, they are the major part of the business. Without them, the business would not exist, therefore they deserve the higher salaries, the big cars, the nice yachts, the position, the power, the wealth. Workers of any kind would be mindless drones that implement and execute business dictations, therefore they may be replaced at will, and pay vs worker happiness can be min-maxxed.

If we want to change that dynamic, these kinds of people ("hey bro, I have this idea you can implement for me for free") should not be allowed to become business owners. Worker-owned collectives should be the future.

[–] nayminlwin@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

We're like oompa loompas to their willy wonka complex.

[–] Hirom 8 points 10 months ago

This reminds me of Glootie.

Glootie is a character that first appeared in Introducing: Glootie!Β [..] He has DO NOT DEVELOP MY APP tattooed on his forehead.

Someone like Glootie once once asked me to develop his app. I expertly dodged the bullet by referring him to an organization that coordinates freelance developments. Someone explained to him that he'd need 1 or 2 developers plus a project manager, and probably told him typically hourly rate and number of hours for such projects. Never heard him again speak about the app.

[–] CmdrKeen@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago

This isn’t rocket science!

No. It’s computer science.