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I'm considering getting a laptop for Linux and want to know a few things before I do. Some important info before I start: I don't plan on using the laptop for anything too intense, mainly writing, digital art, streaming, browsing, and maybe very mild video editing (cropping at least and shortening at most). I would also prefer the laptop to be inexpensive, preferably under 1000 USD

I mainly want to know if whether I should get a laptop by a manufacturer that specializes in Linux or a laptop that runs a different OS (exp: Windows) to install Linux on later. I've also scouted out quite a few distros and have a good idea of which ones I would like using

I've already looked at a few mainline Linux hardware producers like System76 but want to know if it's worth it before sinking money into it

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[–] Brgor@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Check out Framework if you haven't already! https://frame.work/linux

They're designed to be upgraded and repaired over time so they're super modular. You can also save some money if you're not afraid to put it together yourself.

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[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’d say Framework, but I don’t think they have stuff under $1000 unfortunately.

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[–] delial@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm relatively happy with my System76, but based on your needs you could get a lot of value from a $500 used ThinkPad on Ebay.

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[–] CaptainJack42@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If I'd buy a new laptop these days I'd go with a framework. Other than that, buying a refurbished ThinkPad is always a great option and they generally run really good with Linux. As for support I wouldn't be too afraid, almost all hardware is supported these days as long as it's not something really obscure. The main thing worth checking is probably the WiFi card, I heard there are some that are a pain to set up, but I never ran into that. That being said most manufacturers won't officially support Linux and if they do they'll only support fedora or Ubuntu (speaking about big manufacturers, ofc there's system76 and stuff), but as I said I don't think I've encountered a laptop that straight up wasn't able to run Linux. Also if possible avoid Nvidia GPUs, they work, but can be a pain with drivers breaking on the regular

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[–] probably_a_robot@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I bought a DIY Edition Framework Laptop 13 with an i5 1240p for about $1050 after buying my RAM and SSD on their own. This is the best option if you're into modularity and upgradability and second only to buying used when it comes to environmental friendliness (in my opinion). Battery life isn't anything to write home about at least on 12th Intel though, supposedly 13th gen Intel CPUs do better

Otherwise, System76, Tuxedo Computers, and Laptop with Linux are probably good options if you want Linux pre-installed. All 3 of those take Clevo laptops and make them their own.

Starlabs also looks like an interesting option, but I believe the Starlite is the only option under $1000 USD. As far as I know, they're the only company that makes their own laptop chases from scratch for Linux.

Links:

Framework

Starlabs

System 76

Laptop with Linux

Tuxedo

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

Framework has quite a nice selection and the modularity is an amazing feature! Although having Linux preinstalled is a pretty big draw, and Sysytem76 has some VERY nice looking machines. Thank you!

[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Used Thinkpad from eBay is your best bet to start imo.

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[–] ConvertCoffeeToCode@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've installed Linux on two Windows laptops:

  • A 2019 Lenovo Yoga with an Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. Kubuntu worked without any issue, aside from the Nvidia drivers being finicky. It also has a touchscreen with pen support, which works really well.
  • A 2022 Asus Vivobook with an AMD CPU. Tried Fedora for this one and had tons of driver issues at first, but they eventually got patched.

So, I'd say that buying a Windows laptop and installing Linux on it is certainly viable, as long as you're ready to do some amount of troubleshooting or waiting for driver updates. Oh, and keeping the Windows partition somehow (dual booting or w/e) can be handy for firmware updates.

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[–] Raincloud 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been very happy getting a used ThinkPad from eBay. It does all the coding I need for a great budget.

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

With all the good reviews for ThinkPads I'm pretty sure I'm gonna buy one, they seem to be an amazing beginner Linux laptop!

[–] runaway@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If you're looking for a cheap but solid laptop, you can get some pretty good deals on Dell Refurbished. Click on Laptops at the top, then look for the 50% off codes at the top of the page.

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[–] rescue_toaster@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

System 76 customer here. I just replaced my 2011 system 76 lemur with a new lemur. I have Ubuntu installed on both and have never tried pop os. I was very happy with that laptop and the company in general. It actually still runs okay. I did replace the battery after about 5 or 6 years. I'm thinking of trying out nixos on it.

My guilty reason for upgrading was I wanted to play dwarf fortress at more than 5 fps...

[–] keenworld@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone's made good suggestions, but I wanted to throw out there that I just recently learned Kubuntu actually has been making its own line of custom-made laptops for a while, called Focus. There's a few different models, and IIRC one or two configurations are below $1000. You'll definitely save a buck by going with Windows-first options, but if you want to support Linux that'd be one way of doing it.

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[–] eshep@social.trom.tf 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@PurrJPro You can't go wrong with @tuxedocomputers but it's gonna be hard to stay under 1000USD. Everything they have runs beautifully with linux and their support is far better than you'll find anywhere else. I've bought more laptops over the past 20 years than anyone probably should, and finally going with #TUXEDOComputers was worth the little extra I spent on it.

If you want to just buy some cheap laptop off the shelf, that's okay too, just do your homework first. Find out what hardware that exact part/model number has in it so you can know what sort of problems you may be dealing with later. I've bought at least 2 different models each of Sony, DELL, Acer, ASUS, HP, IBM, Lenovo, Apple, Compaq, 5~6 different off-brands I can't remember. Some work great with no hassle at all, some take loads of fiddling, and some have hardware that just doesn't work at all.

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[–] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Im happy with my ROG Zephyrus G14, which I only chose because of decent linux compatibility and a sale at Best Buy.

I would say when judging the price of a laptop, whether it is Windows focused or Linux focused, make your decision based off of mainly hardware specs (and that hardwares linux compatibility). For example (assuming same price), if a Windows laptop has a great AMD CPU and GPU, I would take that over a Linux laptop with an equivalent CPU but an NVIDIA GPU.

My best advice is to read posts / watch videos of people using / installing / reviewing Linux on said hardware before you buy it. For instance, Asus ROG laptops (like I have) require a program called asusctl to control certain aspects of the machine that are usually controlled by Asus's proprietary software. I would not have known this if not for researching beforehand.

EDIT: I agree with another comment, used Thinkpads are awesome and usually old enough that there will be next to no compatibility issues with Linux. Also, they're tanks!

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[–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm fairly new to Linux, but I quickly learned that AMD based stuff is better for Linux.

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, really? I knew AMD was more popular among Linux users, but I never really made the connection that it was better, lol. Thanks!

[–] NateSwift 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nvidia drivers on linux is troublesome. They don’t support their own proprietary drivers well and don’t share with the devs working on open source ones. As expected, you end up with two different feature incomplete drivers and it’s a huge hassle.

iirc you should be fine with an intel or and cpu and it’s just the gpu you need to be careful with, but my experience is with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu so I may be wrong

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

I see. It sucks that proprietary stuff clashes so much with open source stuff but it's not unexpected unfortunately :( thank you for this!

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oooooh yeah. I currently have an AMD video card and it's heaven. No drivers problems, KDE Wayland works perfectly, it's just absolutely awesome.

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago
[–] drwho 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been buying Dell laptops since 2004 and running Linux only on them and they've been rock solid. Great driver support.

[–] Frederic 2 points 1 year ago

Same, I installed MX21 on a Dell Latitude E5470 and it's #1

[–] ursakhiin 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a Darter from System 76 with Pop!_OS as my personal laptop that I code on and I absolutely love it. It runs extremely smoothly and I've not had any crashes with it.

I also have a Lemur from them with Ubuntu for work and it's kinda meh. Is difficult to say what causes the issues I have. It may just be the corporate tools but I end up having hard locks that require a reboot.

If you go with them I strongly suggest Pop! The distro is built for their hardware and works really well.

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

If I manage to save up enough money, I'm definitely going to check them out! Nd Pop!_OS is so clean and nice looking, it's enough to make me wanna use their hardware alone lol

[–] l3mming@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Lenovo is renowned for their excellent linux compatibility. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of proponents here saying the same.

BUT, having used various models of thinkpads in recent years, their inconsistent keyboard layouts will drive you absolutely insane. I swear, at this point they're just fucking with us.

I've got one in pieces somewhere, that has/had the ~ key next to the FN key on the bottom row! How the fuck are you supposed to use Linux if you're ~ key is down there? It's fucking stupid.

And the latest work-issued recent model is fucking with me again! It has the FN key ON THE LEFT SIDE of the Ctrl key on the left. Who does that? The Ctrl is always the left-most bottom key. Now, every time I fucking go to press Ctrl+something, I end up hitting FN instead.

Fucking morons! At this rate this laptop will also end up in pieces.

So, tldr; Stay the fuck away from Lenovo if you want to use Linux.

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[–] Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't get an HP. Had one for work that I had to change to Ubuntu, and I couldn't find any compatible WiFi drivers somehow.

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

YEAH it sucks when drivers for hardware aren't Linux compatible (my current drawing tablet doesn't support it... RIP). I'll be sure 2 head ur warning about HP!

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a new thinkpad t14 for $900. I have arch and windows 10 dual booted and it's doing great

[–] PurrJPro 2 points 1 year ago

Ooo, nice! And despite this being a Linux only laptop knowing it works well dual booting is nice

[–] MrPhibb@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would recommend looking at Lenovo, they can have some really good deals. I'm rocking an IdeaPad Flex 5, though I don't actually use the touchscreen features, but it works solid for me (email, document writing/editing, web surfing, movie watching).

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[–] Grass@geddit.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want a system76 pangolin but I'm broke.

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[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been pleased with using refurbished Thinkpads off amazon. They're pretty well supported except for maybe like the fingerprint reader which I never cared about anyway.

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[–] iopq@latte.isnot.coffee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a fan of Framework laptops. They have given people the option to upgrade several motherboards by Intel and released an AMD version to boot. I don't think there's ever been a manufacturer that offered three generations of motherboards on the same chassis. The swappable ports are kind of neat, you can choose which ones you want to use

The 13" is already on sale with a 16" coming later this year

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[–] RaySteelworth@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're thinking of getting one, i personally would recommend getting one from https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/. Extremely good quality and a really clean distro with Tuxedo OS 2 although you are able to install on it whatever you want.

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