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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.
Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.
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Many people have a preference for civility politics. They prefer negative peace over a positive justice. They have similar reactions when vegan animal rights activists point out things that trigger their cognitive dissonance.
Thankfully, their pissing and moaning about these groups still bring more attention to these urgent issues than quietly begging for justice ever has, so even if they don't like it, these kinds of stunts are still effective.
I don't boo them. But their message is equivalent to "let's lose over 90% of Earth's population over a couple of years" which isn't too popular for some strange reason.
A better message would be "let's use all what's left of fossil energy to build out renewable energy infrastructure and downscale our lifestyles radically, as the time is short". While still losing a lot of people, but that part is not said aloud.
Protests are meant to disrupt, some people just dont seem to get it.
Simple. People don’t like the status quo to be disrupted until they’re forced into change.
Stopping the people trying to prevent the biosphere from collapsing, now that's radical.
Most people get their opinions from the people around them, and the media they consume. If the media talked about them in a better light, it would change people's opinions on them. People also hate the idea of being mildly inconvenienced, especially since most of the progress we've had from technology has been about improving convenience.
So just stop oil then. Who are they asking to "just stop oil"? The people getting rich from it? They're not gonna stop because you ask nicely. You're gonna have to make them.
These people don't respond to public pressure. They only understand that the line is going up. If you want the line to go down, you're going to have to increase costs. These industries have a lot of very expensive poorly guarded infrastructure so it really isn't that hard to increase costs.
I'm sure most people know that, so again, why don't you just stop oil then. I'm adverse to long prison sentences so if you're so passionate for the cause, go nuts.
But they won't. They'll protest and make a fuss and then drive home in their cars like the rest of us. And that's pretty annoying.
It probably doesn't help that they have an obvious conflict of interest: https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/10/21/getty-oil-heiress-funds-climate-crisis-activism-just-stop-oil
Aileen Getty has not personally worked in the oil industry and has poured much of her fortune into philanthropic ventures related to the climate crisis.
Isn't this what we want these rich people to be doing?