Good! Next time they will be wiser
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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How is this in any way good for anyone involved, including society as a whole?
Meta needs to be destroyed. No organisation, person, or people should hold that much power.
which prompted the state to issue Meta with a search warrant for their chat history and data including log-in timestamps and photos. Meta complied with the request
They followed the law. Which they have to do.
This is an issue primarily with the law. It's not like Meta proactively shared that data.
There's huge issues with Meta. But they're mostly beside the point here, and certainly not the problematic power at play here.
Deflecting from law makers, courts, and prosecution to just Meta is misplaced and counter-productive.
Yes, lets give Meta and Zuck te benefit of the doubt.
Block all Meta and commercial access or you will be part of a product.
Fuck Meta!!
Oof. I feel there’s a lot more of this kinda stuff to come…
So either FB isn't actually E2E, or their implementation is Twitter-grade broken.
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Anyone happen to know if this was chat history through Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp? WhatsApp claims end to end encryption doesn't it? I thought they say Facebook Messenger is also encrypted, but not end to end.
Probably WhatsApp but even if it isn't we have to "assume" (certainly they're doing it) that they're are sniffing through every of your WhatsApp messages too.
This was messenger, and before Facebook even claimed to have E2E encryption on it. Chill.
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So... just capitalists acting like capitalists. Who coulda thunk it?
Huh? This is a company responding to a legal warrant for evidence disclosure in an area it operates in. What does capitalosm have to do with it?
Ok, that's absolutely vile and reprehensible. But that's not actually related to what occurred in this instance. The suspects told the police that they discussed breaking the law using FB messenger. Police made a legal search warrant to collect that data from Facebook. Facebook complied.
Capitalism or anti-abortionism doesn't really enter the situation.
This is an interesting point. If my server is hosted in California where abortion is legal, and some police dept from Alabama wants access to my message database, can I tell them to pound sand?
IIUC no. All of the US and some allied countries respect court orders. In general evidence can be collected worldwide as long as the crime was committed where it is a crime.
But IANAL.
Generally, if in the same country you'd have to comply. As another example though: If your server was in Canada, and some department in Alabama wanted your data, you could tell them to pound sand. Though they may put some sort of warrant out for you for failure to comply (doesn't matter though if you never go there)
Obligatory IANAL, but...
Generally a search warrant needs to be issued by a local authority, and that requires the crime to be prosecutable in the place where it was issued.
So in theory, California is potentially able to refuse requests to search for things that are not illegal in California but may be illegal somewhere else.
That being said, it looks like there are specific practices in place making it easier to issue warrants for electronic data like this scenario, even across state lines.
And in this particular circumstance, the alleged offense is even illegal in California (abortion of a viable fetus), so it's a bit of a moot point anyways. A Californian judge would have issued this warrant if a local police department requested one.
Wait what the heck is an illegal abortion? You mean getting one from unlicensed practioners? Some do it time to time to save money or don't know any better.
She took something that aborted the baby in the third trimester(28 weeks), well after Nebraska's 20 week window for legal abortions. 6.5 months into a 9 month process.
The baby could have survived if delivered, with specialized care, which puts it well outside of the "clump of cells" argument.
She aborted at 28 weeks. That's nearly 6 and a half months pregnant. Most babies can survive outside the womb when they're around 22 to 23 weeks. This was a baby, not some tiny fetus.
I was born decades ago and 2 months early; in the glass box for weeeeks to beat the 11% survival-at-all stats.
Having said that, IT'S STILL NOT FACEBOOK'S BUSINESS as a conveyor and not a filter.
Gonna Re-Share this resource... PLEASE forward to individuals who may need it! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access