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[–] grue@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So it would've been fine and dandy if the cyclist had been killed by someone driving a Prius?

'Cause that's what you imply by placing this bullshit emphasis trying to single out big trucks in particular. Comments like yours reek of implied small-car apologism, and I, for one, am getting sick and hired of it!

There's a reason this community is called "fuck cars," and not "fuck big trucks" or something. it's because the problem is cars — all of them!

Any car, even the smallest, can turn a pedestrian or cyclist into a red smear when driven negligently.

Every car, even the smallest, takes up an entire lane on the street and an entire parking space.

Every car, even the smallest, contributes to car-dependent urban design.

Singling out big trucks as if they're materially worse than all the other death machines is nothing but a distraction from the real problem at best, and an active disinformation campaign at worst. Our goals should be to get people out of cars entirely, not just into smaller ones!

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place, because the driver of a sensibly-sized car can see things that are less than fifty fucking feet ahead of the dash.

Monstrous behemoths like this should be prohibitively expensive to own for personal use and/or be restricted to industrial/ag use only. Fuck your camping or hauling one chair or whatever the fuck you do twice a year. You can rent for something that seldom.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

No, it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place, because the driver of a sensibly-sized car can see things that are less than fifty fucking feet ahead of the dash.

[X] doubt

If big trucks were banned, muderous MAGA psychopaths would just mow down cyclists using Dodge Chargers or whatever instead.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, they are materially worse than other consumer vehicles. They do all the bad things but more, and their normalization makes it all worse for everyone -- have you seen the size of parking spaces in Europe?

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

they are materially worse than other consumer vehicles

Not in the way that actually matters, which is their effect on low-density zoning and minimum parking requirements. A parking space is a parking space is a parking space — they're all (roughly) the same size!

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This community is so fucking funny.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it is funny that folks here apparently just want to circlejerk scapegoating big trucks while downvoting any actual urbanist who dares to point out that they're focusing on the wrong problem.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just wish that those of you with actually good points were capable to conveying it without coming across as a fucking insane person.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's fair. My frustration about the truck circlejerking has been building for a while, and I was venting.

[–] Grass@geddit.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find as cars get either bigger or more expensive or both, the driver's get proportionally more reckless, ignorant, and entitled. It's always the big trucks, bmw's, and teslas that seem intent on running me off the road or flat when I'm biking to work. I don't know about the more recent ones but the early Prius I rented on a vacation before had shit visibility so I wouldn't give that one a free pass at least. All this shit seems so futile though. I just want the jumbo sidewalks with a bike lane to be everywhere.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

All this shit seems so futile though. I just want the jumbo sidewalks with a bike lane to be everywhere.

Sidewalks and bike lanes don't get used unless (a) destinations are packed closely enough together for enough trips to be in reasonable walking or cycling distance, and (b) the experience is reasonably pleasant (i.e., not a no-man's-land sandwiched between a stroad and a bunch of parking lots).

In other words, it's the zoning that has to be fixed first, by increasing density and removing minimum parking requirements.