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Reddit perma-banning account promoting Lemmy has Streisand effect (news.ycombinator.com)
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As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

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[–] luckless 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's the source on that? That's a pretty big accusation but I'd certainly want to know if it's true.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It stems from the fact that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml cofederate, that the project leads are communists, and the claim that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml off of the same IP address.

The first two points are not in contention, but I haven't, personally, been able to verify the third.

Now, lemmygrad is absolutely a trollish, auth-left hellscape. And I say that with... well, not respect, but not specific derision, either. That genuinely seems to be the aesthetic they're going for. They're not here to make friends with anyone but themselves, and they'll play apologetics for China, North Korea, and Stalin's takeover of the Soviet Republic all day long.

But even if the project leads are genuinely involved in that, it doesn't really change the fact that the project is not inextricably tied to them. It's an open source project. It can be forked, and forked again. No one actually needs lemmygrad or lemmy.ml. Or lemmy, for that matter. Everyone can hop over to kbin or Friendica and still access all of the same communities.

Shit, they're accessible from Mastodon and Calckey.

And besides, it's not like people avoid using software when it's made by white supremacist capitalist techbros. In those cases, we all basically just go "yeah, but I'm not a white supremacist capitalist techbro" and carry on with our day. And those products generally can't be wrenched from their control or oversight.

Most people chose Elon over learning that multiple websites exist...

[–] argv_minus_one 2 points 1 year ago

Problem: most Lemmy users and communities are on lemmy.ml.

[–] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I'm on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.

[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I joined Lemmy a year ago (with another user), Lemmygrad was not my piece of cake, Lemmy.ml was too big (similar to mastodon.social), Lemmy.ca was not in my continent, and I didn't notice about beehaw. So, sopuli was the only one standing: small, from Finland and not tankie.

Creating a instance can be difficult, but it's a good way when you don't like what you're offered, and it can help other people to find their home.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 3 points 1 year ago

So long as the entry points like join-lemmy aren't controlled, then yes it is a possibly good solution. I'm not stating facts at this point, only stating my concern about what I saw.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don't know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.

BTW, these ifs I'm using aren't rhetoric devices. I'm not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I'm saying.

[–] _ed@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having been a lemmy resident for a while (this being my second account and someone who doesnt visit lemmygrad at all) is that in my experience the Devs conduct themselves professionally, impartially and generally have the patience of saints.

If you decide to stay here for a while you might form the same impression.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 1 points 1 year ago

Regardless of whether that's true, one of those devs seems to be a genocide supporter. Not even a denier, but a supporter.