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^when you feel personally attacked but have no valid argument
Greater income disparity than pre-revolution France. Pushing of gig culture and baiting people into financial ruin with short term incentives. And all people want to do is call each other fascist and nazi and white supremacist and bicker. Can't you see it's a distraction that's keeping you there? Nah, probably not.
People can be upset at wealth inequality and the raise of fascism...
It's not even that unique of a combo, pretty much everyone I know is pissed at both situations.
Why do you think someone can only care about one?
I dont, and to my knowledge never said, that someone can only care about one. The problem is confusing cause and effect, and being unwitting pawns for the other side. Let me explain by using one of the examples in the OP, nazism:
And you can replace nazism with any of the other causes mentioned, white supremacy, fascism, whatever.
This reasoning pattern isnt productive though. Even if nazism is a big problem where you live, fixing it wont solve gig economy, and chasing ghosts wherever you see gig economy just leads to conflict between our side of the class war.
I mean just look at this thread. Look how many people are just calling me names! This is how entrenched the problem is.
If you want to fix fascism, fix fascism. If you want to fix gig economy, fix gig economy. But if you want to fix gig economy, don't try to fix fascism, white supremacy, and nazism wherever you see gig economy.
IT'S A METAPHOR
A significant number of people can't see behind the literal meaning of words. Which is also why so much corpo or political speak is so effective, they almost always say "good" stuff literally but you have to see behnd those to what is actually meant.
Oh being autistic I get that, but people have already explained the literal meaning and this person just doesn't seem to want to hear it
No, people have explained that it's a metaphor, which is non-literal meaning. I'm saying that the guy you reply to is likely one that doesn't grasp that concept.
If you genuinely think they don't understand feel free to explain it to them further rather than expect others to waste their emotional labour instead of doing it yourself
Hey, chill out, friend :) I don't expect anything from you, I was just trying to say something relevant for everyone who's reading.
While I responded to your comment, I'm not really talking to you directly, rather just trying to add to the discussion. I didn't mean to cause you any grief, sorry.
I'm perfectly chill and you've not caused me any grief, you've just not contributed anything to the conversation by saying that something might need to be explained differently without even attempting to do any explaining yourself, but expecting others to.
I've never said that something should need to be explained differently. I've not talked about explaining at all, actually. I'm not sure where you've got that from.
I just said that some people don't grasp it. If I would talk about explaining things, I'd say that explanations are completely lost for these kind of people.
That just makes your "contribution" to the conversation even more useless, you've literally added nothong. Now fuck off and stop wasting my time
You're a nice person :)
Have you got a point? Because one isn't apparent.
The best I can gather is that you're a class reductionist who just doesn't express themselves very well?