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Are radical right extremist/domestic terror groups better at organizing and deploying? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by buwho@lemmy.ml to c/antifa@lemmy.ml

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Although i didnt look at data on "leftist" anti terror groups etc. There seems to be alot of far right radical groups worldwide that are organizing and deploying very quickly, efficiently and in large groups...Why does it seem like they are growing and organizing so efficiently? Is it because theyre generally protected by militant police states and act with impunity to some degree? Are they better at the internet? Is it because they are united in hatred, and leftish groups are coming from many different communities of thought? What is making them (the right radicals) so effective in organizing and building propaganda campaigns etc...?

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First... there is no such thing as a right-wing "radical" - they are reactionary, not "radical."

Second... no, they are not better at organizing. On the contrary - there's a really good reason why there just isn't that many examples of grass-roots far-right insurgencies the right-wingers can brag about. They are absolutely terrible at it. They don't just require levels of institutional support, benefaction and funding that anti-fascist groups couldn't dream off... most importantly, they require direction. Who would have thunk that the far-right have lots of difficulty thinking for themselves, eh?

All you have to do is to look at the (so-called) "Contras" that Reagen gave all that support to - if it wasn't for the CIA literally stuffing them full of arms, cash, intelligence, and on top of that constantly telling them what to do, they wouldn't have lasted a month.

A more glaring example is that of the (so-called) "Boeremag" from South Africa - a group of white supremacist terrorists that included many combat-experienced vets not just from the Border War, but also plenty of paramilitaries and police experienced in the violence that propped up the Apartheid-regime. A lot of them were high-ranking members of the above-mentioned organisations, and they also had access to military-grade equipment. Yet the plans they drew up were so laughably disconnected from reality that their organisation were easily rounded-up and thrown in prison after they launched a few bombing attacks.

That's what happens when right-wing terrorists don't get support and direction from above.

[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks this makes sense. So if most of their agenda and their mobilization is supported by other militant politically affiliated sponsors etc. How can a population of people that dont support a fascist white supremacy combat that type of force. If they're protected and enabled and the opposition is systematically squashed and disassembled, what can stop the continuing growth of this type of state from forming and ultimately coming into power? [US] democracy is a farse and only benefits elite capitalists etc. How could a population organize something that can even compare to the power "they" have? Or am I just seeing things totally wrong?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

How can a population of people that dont support a fascist white supremacy combat that type of force.

I'm afraid the news isn't good - antifa can beat the fascists off the street, but that won't matter if the liberals give them the keys to the tanks. The way the Weimar liberal regime essentially gave the proto-fascist Freikorps all the support and protection they needed to massacre working-class revolt in Germany straight after WW1 is a text-book example of how liberal regimes will essentially "prepare the ground" for fascism - that process is very far along in the US (I'm going to assume you're asking this in connection to the US).

How could a population organize something that can even compare to the power “they” have?

It's do-able... but not easy. There is no such thing as fascism without resistance. It all depends on what support the anti-fascists have. There is no shortage of people in the US willing to fight fascists - more people than are willing to die for fascism, I'd say - but will power and organization is not enough. Logistics is the crucial thing. If the fascists have APCs, who will supply the RPGs?