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Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[–] argv_minus_one 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Global warming is upon us. If something doesn't drastically change, now, our entire species is going to die.

[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this conflates capitalism with lack of coordination. We could fix global warming today via regulation. Even if our government was socialist, it would probably still not be curbing emissions due to trying to achieve some other non-capital goal.

Second, there isn’t any need to falsely imply our species is going to die because of climate change. No model points at that. Billions of people having crappier lives and dying sooner should be enough motivation.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're ~ 5 degrees from mass crop failure and famine, and that's pretty well documented.

"Billions of people having crappier lives" is a weird way of describing starvation.

[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Because the models don’t support your statement.

Billions WILL have worse lives due to this. A very small subset of that will be because they are on the verge of starving.

[–] Zyansheep@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmmm, its those kinds of extreme statements that make me a bit suspicious. Is global warming really an extinction level event? I can imagine terrible civil wars over resources and increasing displacement from natural disasters, but total eradication of the human race is afaik not a possible result of global warming.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's kinda like when they called it world war 1 and 2 - it didn't actually include the entire world, but it did include so many countries that people considered it to be the world. The amount of people that could die or be affected by global warming could kill billions. Billions.

[–] Zyansheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Hmmm... words used in not-satiric circumstances where the true meaning isn't the intended meaning is a bit confusing...

[–] argv_minus_one 7 points 1 year ago

If global warming doesn't completely wipe us out, we'll finish ourselves off with nukes.