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Stolen from my favourite Facebook group (warning: not really safe for work).

Literally my thoughts as I try to navigate around Brisbane. A trip from the west to the airport can involve up to half a dozen tolls if you do it wrong.

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[–] Zyansheep@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the government shouldn't pay for roads... they should pay for much more efficient forms of transportation like trains, buses, and bicycle infrastructure.

[–] surreptitiouswalk@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention high speed till roads allows governments to mandate trucks be forced to use them, which makes free local free roads less dangerous, more durable and less congested.

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 1 year ago

Can governments not mandate trucks use specific roads even without tolls?

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Those forms of transportation are space- and energy-efficient, but they are not time-efficient. Cars are in many cases the fastest way to commute to work, and the last thing an overworked, sleep-deprived working stiff needs is to lose even more precious time and sleep. Cars are popular for a reason.

[–] aes 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This comment feels at odds with what you said about traffic being preferable to tolls. Although I suppose public transport is slower if you design a city around the concept of "fuck you, got mine".

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 1 year ago

It's also slower if you don't live in a densely-packed city, which a lot of people don't, because housing in densely-packed cities has a very high cost per square foot. There's also no such thing as HOA-free housing in cities; the nature of multi-family housing makes such freedom impossible. Suburbs, too, are popular for a reason.