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[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Of course everyone deserve equal rights, and yes, the social programs could be infinitely better if we put even more resources towards them.

However, with recent internet restrictions, censorship, and identity politics, we're also actively being harmed by the left.

That doesn't mean what the people on the right are doing is any good either, I'm just saying it's not good to lump everyone into these black and white categories. It creates the weird tribalism we see here.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the radical left rolling out programs like 5 eyes. The radical left that makes it legal for corporations to throw cameras everywhere and deploy facial tracking software. The left who deregulated everything till credit card companies are allowed to determine who can access their money and what you're allowed to spend it on. That radical left sure does love rolling out censorious police state stuff.

[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

-5 eyes was started in 1946 by democrats

-im not sure what you're talking about with the cameras, but look at the UK, that surveillance state was started with 5 eyes (the "labour party")

-if money is the topic, the left wants to create a centralized digital currency to do exactly what you're talking about with credit cards

-censorious police state "stuff" happened during covid, perpetuated by the left

Remember net neutrality?

I'd like to point out though, that the right doesn't make great strides either, but I don't need to give examples of that to people in this thread.

A 2 party system is hot garbage, and it's about being as divisive as possible to pump up your side.

It's like a Coke vs Pepsi advertising war

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those parties aren't left wing...

[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Democrats and the Labour party (socialist democrat) aren't left, then what is?

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

the Democrats are a primary party in a military cult empire that indoctrinates children with flag rites and coups every government that dares to call itself socialist. I'm guessing you're part of that military cult and thus don't understand how insane it seems from the outside.

There are left elements, that sandy man seems to flirt with Democratic socialism, although not very strongly. It doesn't seem like he has much power though.

Labor in the UK has thoroughly remade itself after Thatcher with the new labour movement which distanced themselves from their unionist and socialist roots. They now don't have any particularly leftist policies, although they are less right than the Tories obviously.

In Australia labor did a similar thing after the USA couped our only elected socialist government and replaced the labour leader with a CIA groomed dude.

The right is utterly ascendant in global politics and has been since the rise of neoliberal economics under Reagan and Thatcher. That power is beginning to wane, but don't confuse being left of "we should hunt the homeless for sport" with being a leftist government. Leftism isn't when shouting slurs gets you tutted at, it's Democratic businesses and worker owned collectives, nationalised infrastructure, anti imperialism, open boarders, welfare above the poverty line, universal recognition of human dignity etc.

In Australia the most mainstream leftist party would be the greens who hold at most 1 to 3 seats out of 150 regularly. Similarly in the UK I am given to understand. There are more radical parties but they're even more marginalised.

[–] stappern@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

harmed by the left? internet restrictions??? wtf are you on about?

[–] hastati 1 points 1 year ago

I mean you say “of course everyone deserves equal rights” but the Republican Party actively fights against them.

My best friend is trans and the conservative ideology says that she should live her life in shame, or not exist at all according to some.

There’s just no room for me to want to be nuanced with anyone who supports that message. If you vote Republican then you support oppressing LGBTQ+ people and I cannot be okay with that.