It barely fits in the bloody car park. So bad for pedestrians and the environment.
this post was submitted on 03 Jul 2023
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They’re every inconvenience rolled in to one. A pain to get in. A pain to park. Use heaps of fuel. Don’t fit in garages, and to top it off are expensive AF. I’m confident in saying unless you tow like, horse floats on the regular, if you own one you’re a fucking idiot.
They're also way more dangerous. They do more damage if they hit something, and because of the terrible visibility they're more likely to hit something.
That said, if they do hit something, the people inside the tank might be ok.
They are more likely to roll than normal cars (SUVs excluded), and when they roll they're generally more likely to crush the roof due to their weight. So yeah, while they're better off than the car they hit, they're still not amazing safety wise.
While true on the more likely to roll due to their higher center of gravity, unless they are lowered after purchased, I was surprised to find that at least for the f150, the roof strength is almost 6 times the weight of the truck.
That's according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety which is an independent review organization that gave the f150 one of its highest ratings.
More information is here: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/ford/f-150-crew-cab-pickup/2021
I knew the f150 had a good safety rating but didn't know the roof was that strong. Thanks for sharing.
They're not actually that bad on fuel. Don't get me wrong, I'd never own one but a few of our major players at work have them as some sort of status symbol. Cruising in overdrive at 100km/h they can go as low as 6L/100km, but average is around 12L/100km unless you are doing lots of hunting through the gearbox or driving like a dick, then you can see some truly disturbing fuel usage figures.
To put it in perspective, this is on par with a modern hilux, and WORLDS better than the 2022 79 series landcruiser even with all the fuel efficiency gains they made.
To be clear I still don't think anyone should be driving one here - our roads and car parks are simply not built for them. They aren't that great offroad either. Really the only genuine use case is towing an enormous caravan down the hwy, in which case I hate you anyway because that's TWO symbols of you being an inconsiderate prick that doesn't care about anyone else.
They cannot get 6L/100km. My Suzuki gets 7L/100km. The new F150 raptor R is rated at 10mpg city (18L/100km).
https://www.kbb.ca/news-details/10-most-fuel-efficient-new-full-size-pickup-trucks-for-2022/?ID=200
My wife's Suzuki Grand vitara gets 9.5L/100km no matter how you drive it. It's insane to me, but facts are facts. Raptor might be a different beast but the rest of them are all pretty well in line.
I call BS on those numbers. Real world driving conditions would pump them up. And I highly doubt the people spending 100k on these are selecting eco mode and driving like a grandma.
The Raptors definitely are not for the cost conscious. 6l/100km is ludicrous even without the big engine and sport tuning.
I drive a ‘16 F150 3.5L Turbo (with the old 6 speed) and out in the country I might get 6l/100 going downhill, with a tailwind, in neutral. About the best I can do is 23-24 Mpg (10l/100km?) when I’m out in back roads in the country doing 45-50mph/70-80km/hr. But I live in a town with a ton of stop lights/signs and my long term avg is more like 17mph (14l/100km).
12L/100km average is for gas or diesel?
I guess us europeans are used to driving smaller cars, as such numbers sound horrible for a passenger vehicle.
Also in my country we got almost no pickup trucks. People prefer vans for tax reasons.
Yeah that's not as bad fuel efficiency as I thought tbh. My 2004 hyundai elantra shitbox gets similar.
I used to give them all shit about hooking their wallets directly up to the fuel tank to save time, but it seems I was wrong on that one. There's a RAM something or other, an F150 and a Chevy Silverado in the circle of super ultra power megablokes. They all get pretty similar figures: 12-13L/100km average.
I was pretty miffed because that's actually better than my comparatively tiny japanese 4x4 gets sometimes. They must have put some serious work in to achieving those figures with such a massive vehicle and massive engine.
European here. Japanese cars just have bad fuel economy tbh.
In the America-centric culture we have here on the Internet, they're touted as highly efficient because the comparison is usually Prius vs F250, but really you can often get better fuel economy from German cars than Japanese. German diesels in particular. Average driver will probably get the same highway fuel economy out of an E-Class or a Civic.
Pain to get in? The hell are you talking about. It's much easier getting in and out of a truck than a normal car with the seat a feet from the ground. Especially for tall/old people.
Depends which truck I guess. I've been in a couple that were so big that the step up was uncomfortable, and I'm 6'3 so that just shouldn't ever happen.
Yeah well those huge lifted american trucks are a different story. Typical european truck is much smaller. Nissan Frontier for example though it's called Navara here.
Yeah the Navara isn't obnoxiously big. Ten years ago it would've been though.
My Navara is lifted higher than most trucks (not by me, by a previous owner, and too expensive to undo). I don't find it hard to get in at all, definitely easier than our Mazda 3. Easier to reverse/less blind spots/etc than the Mazda 3 as well.