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Email is a relict of a bygone era and needs to die. It's not designed for the modern Internet, and no patching like DKIM and DMARC can fix that.
Do share the alternative with us, that's universally supported and not owned by a corporation.
Already responded to someone else asking here.
So the article is about unwarranted 12 hour delays and your solution is to use a federated platform where delays are built into the system between server syncs? The fact that people cant see your other post yet because their local servers have not synced your post to this thread should be the first sign that this might not be a good solution to this email problem...
Email also is a federated platform that syncs. It's just a matter of getting this working, it's a solved problem on a conceptual level.
For example, all mail servers come with an outbound queue for mails to retry for at least a day until the mail goes through. Lemmy simply discards the message after a single try. This is a result of being beta-level software that just hasn't been fully finished yet.
How much effort is it to link to that reply or copypaste the response?
I have no idea how to link comments in a Lemmy/kbin-compatible way across instances, sorry. https://feddit.de/comment/606782
Copy-pasting is bad, because then the discussion is spread among three different threads.
Fair point, thanks for the link!
I'm not sure there is a format for linking comments in a cross compatible way yet, just communities and usernames.
One of the things that need to be solved soon. That kbin and lemmy have a different standard format for linking to communities is bad enough.
Are you sure? I'm not seeing anything else in this thread under your profile
Probably a syncing issue across instances? On mine, it's https://feddit.de/comment/606782
Yeah it's not showing up for whatever reason. Anyway, your reply boiled down to 'Something that doesn't exist yet'. It's probably a good idea to get the replacement tech up and running, and work out the kinks, before cheering for the death of our workhorse communication method.
Mine was an aspirational comment, not "we should do this right now". A replacement won't happen by itself unless there's a vision to make something like that.
8:43 A.M. and already this is the dumbest thing I'll read all day.
I still have enough faith left in humankind to believe that someone else will post an even worse take at some point today
That's the first time I've heard anyone says that. What would replace it?
Ubermail, where independent contractors would deliver communication while funded by VC money for a few years until they come up with some kind of electronic mail service.
Already responded to someone else asking here. https://feddit.de/comment/606782
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@Jo what do you think should replace e-mail?
Something in the veins of Mastodon. Still federated, but with validated peers and a better protocol. XMPP also was a front-runner for me, but unfortunately that one died over the last decade.
Isnt that just email with a different label?
No, email has a very lenient specification that causes compatibility issues between different implementations. In addition to that, it assumes good intentions by all parties involved (because it was created when only universities and similar entities had email services), and all workarounds for this involve optional standards (DKIM etc) that aren't always implemented or implemented properly.
That is not a significant issue in the present day. I've run a Postfix server for over a decade and never had a compatibility problem sending or receiving email. I don't use it much any more, because most other email servers will reject anything I send through it, but that's a spam-filter problem, not a compatibility problem.
Moreover, this isn't the issue at hand. OP's email is not being rejected because of a compatibility problem.
How is that different from Mastodon? Anyone can sign up for a Mastodon account or self-host an instance. How, exactly, does Mastodon determine whether your intentions are good?
That, too, is not the issue at hand. OP's email server has DKIM etc set up correctly, according to Google's own tools.
Mastodon literally uses email as an analogy for how it works. You're just obfuscating the issue. Email is much more well equipped for the problems being discussed. Federation just spreads the problem to thousands of servers. I'm fine with Mastodon becoming politicized, but I'm not fine with email becoming politicized.
Mastodon offers no real benefit over email as a standard. It's the same work, except higher degree of censorship being possible.
Email providers could do the same amount of censorship. That's just a matter of culture standards.