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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Read up. Then punch a nazi. Don't need that shit anywhere in society.
While it's crucial to oppose harmful ideologies like Nazism, we must be wary of how we define such harmful groups. If we broaden these definitions arbitrarily, we risk encapsulating people who merely differ politically, diluting the term's significance and unjustifiably alienating individuals. In doing so, we inadvertently shrink our own communities, polarizing society to the extent where a moderate viewpoint might be mistaken for extremism. Right-leaning communities fall into this trap as well, resulting in fragmented realities where each group exists in its own echo chamber. This division deepens societal fissures and undermines moderate views, which, in my belief, are grounded in reality and thus instrumental in achieving balanced discourse.
Soooooo here's a helpful hint to tamp down that utter confusion you seem to be having:
The guys who want armed guard genital inspectors in front of every bathroom are the bad guys.
Right, they never stated otherwise, but transphobic measures doesn't necessarily make one a nazi. It makes you awful but there are different kinds of awful than just nazism. The risk of calling everyone a nazi is that you dilute what the word actually means so that you risk generalizing and uniting the awful people instead of separating them based on their various horrendous opinions.
The vast majority of people screaming about bathrooms in the US are in fact Nazis or nazi adjacent.
There is NO reason to dump that much hate on like two or three people per state unless you just enjoy the cruelty.
That's just ridiculous. Not all bad things are the same thing.
Uh, no, a lot of the people screaming about this are those on the far-right, who literately share memes with holocaust denial, wear swastikas, go to Neo-nazi rallies, etc. This is well known to hate watch groups, so this is not an exaggeration. We are literately talking about Nazi supporters, not just saying they are 'like nazis'.
I don't know what to say except you're just wrong. Not all transphobes are nazis, and calling them nazis just makes you look dumb. You can go slog through their bullshit if you like. All nazis are transphobes, of course, but it doesn't work the other way. A TERF isn't a nazi, and is probably a fan of the whole "punch a nazi" movement.
You don't NEED to call them nazis is the crazy thing. Being a transphobe is enough of a horrible thing. By also throwing in the nazi thing you make people just totally dismiss you as an uninformed person.
Read up on nazi policies towards trans people
All Nazis are transphobes, but not all transphobes are Nazis.
At best this is obnoxiously pedantic and at worst you provide cover for bigots so what are you getting out of this?
If we start going down the "all bad people are x" path without having at least some knowledge of why and how they're bad, we open ourselves to manipulation. Or irrelevance, if we dilute the term "Nazi" so much that when we call out actual Nazis no one listens.
We have to be truthful in our accusations. Especially in a case like this. Being a transphobe is, by itself, a horrible thing. We don't need to muddy the waters by throwing "Nazi" in there too. There are plenty of other, actual Nazis that can have that label.
Oh my god shut the fuck up. How many people do you think are rocking swastika armbands and are members of the nazi party? Like, none. Now how many nazis are there? It’s a descriptor, it’s a pejorative. Shut the fuck up prevaricators
Please explain how they differ?
Edit (2): TL;DR (and the first thought I had which then escaped me when I went to type my original reply but has now returned): The Venn diagram of Nazis and transphobes has massive overlap, but even those that don't fit in both are bad and harmful in their own right, so who are you really defending here?
And before you try
"Nazism wasn't about transphobia":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft#Nazi_era
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/
or
"Transphobes today have nothing to do with Nazism":
https://zeefeed.com.au/anti-trans-feminism-nazi-ideology/
https://socialism.com/fso-article/posie-parker-in-australia-terfs-nazis-and-the-fight-for-trans-liberation/
Edit (1) because sent too soon:
Not wanting to admit it to themselves and/or being wilfully ignorant in defence of their cognitive dissonance, nor you personally not liking it, doesn't make transphobes any less supporters of what is without a doubt a Nazi (if not Nazi inspired, which doesn't make it better) ideology, attitude, and behaviour.
Nazis, they are defending Nazis and want to pretend they are not.
That's why when you ask them to clarify they go quiet, because they know that means saying the quiet part out loud because, as you say, there is only one conclusion.
That Sartre quote again but with the relevant bit in bold:
And on a completely unrelated note - I was only able to see your reply by going to your profile overview (love the render btw!), OP seems to have vanished, even under the comments tab on each of our profiles the ones made here are gone. Is this what happens here when a post gets removed?
E:never mind, that's my confusion.
True but neither ideology deserves a spot at the table of civilized discourse. So it's a bit of a moot point.
It's not a moot point when we consider the fluidity of language and the potential for any group to manipulate terms to suit their interests. If someone can blanket-label their opposition as a 'transphobe' or, more extreme, a 'Nazi', it bypasses meaningful debate and eradicates the chance to understand differing viewpoints. This not only oversimplifies complex discussions, but it also fosters a lazy and destructive discourse that can fuel animosity rather than understanding. We need to be challenged. A tree that grows without wind will not have the strength to stand in a storm.
Imagine using the ammo of "complexity" and the subjectivity of language to defend wholly unsubtle people who explicity want others harassed/harmed/dead for being their authentic selves and that authenticity has absolutely NOTHIGN to do with them personally
Yeah but that's not what is happening here. These guys are literally transphobes. I understand your concern but bringing it up here is providing cover for these guys.
What people don't get is that when someone is called a Nazi, it doesn't necessarily mean that they literally identify completely with Nazi ideology.
Rather it is about the pattern of behavior that is equivalent to the Nazi pattern of behavior.
For that to be true, people do not need to, for example, hate and want to kill Jews. "Jews" could be replaced by anything else, for example trans people, and it's still valid to call them a Nazi.
If one does not want to be called a Nazi, maybe don't try to get rid of a group of people that haven't done anything bad.
Not to mention the Historical Nazis' hatred of LGBTQ+ people
Lemmy.world has already defederated from them. They're not just transphobic, the admins of exploding heads are also virulently racist.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
So while transphobic measures don't make someone a nazi, exploding heads absolutely is a far right shithole.