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[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Oh man where to begin. For starters:

  • Sentience is overrated
  • All communication is manipulative
  • Assumes intelligence has a "value" and that it stacks like a Borderlands damage buff
  • Superintelligence operates in the world like the chaos god Tzeench from WH40K. Humans can't win, because all events are "just as planned"
  • Humanity is therefore gormless and helpless in the face of superintelligence

It just feeds right into all of the TESCREAL nonsense, particularly those parts that devalue the human part of humanity.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I, too, have done the “all communication is manipulative”, but in the same way as one would do a bar trick:

all communication is manipulative, for any words I say/write that you perceive instantly manipulate (as in the physical manner / modifying state) your thoughts, and this is done so without you requesting I do so

it’s a handy stunt with which to drive an argument about a few parts of communication, rhetoric, etc. because it gives a kinda good handle on some meta without getting too deep into things

(although there was one of my friends who really, really hated the framing)

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 4 points 1 week ago

Explaining in detail is kind of a huge end-of-book spoiler, but "All communication is manipulative" leaves out a lot of context and personally I wouldn't consider how it's handled a mark against Blindsight.

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