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Large language models not fit for real-world use, scientists warn — even slight changes cause their world models to collapse (www.livescience.com)

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Large language model AIs might seem smart on a surface level but they struggle to actually understand the real world and model it accurately, a new study finds.

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[–] knokelmaat 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a very interesting point of view, and indeed well formulated in the video!

I don't necessarily agree with it though. I as a human being have grown up and learned from experience and the experiences of previous humans that were documented or directly communicated to me. I can see no inherent difference with an artificial intelligence learning on the same data.

I never did all the experiments, nor the research previous scientists did, but I trust their reproducibility and logical conclusions. I think on the same way, artificial intelligence could theoretically also learn these things based on previous documented findings. This would be an ideal "général intelligence" AI.

The main problem I think, is that AI needs to be even more computationally intensive and complex for it to be able to get to these advanced levels of understanding. And at this point, I see it as a fun theoretical exercise without actual practical benefit: the cost (both in money, time and energy) seems far too large to eventually create something that we can already do as humans ourselves.

The current state of LLMs is one of very basic "semblance" of understanding, and close to what you describe as probability based conversation.

I feel that AI is best at doing very specific tasks, were the problem space is small enough for it to actually learn the underlying model. In the same way I think that LLMs are best at language: rewriting text or generating stuff. What companies seem to think though is because a model is wel at producing realistic language, that it is also competent at the contents of what it is writing. And again, for that to be true, it needs a much more advanced method of calculation than is currently available.

Take this all with a grain of salt though, as I am no expert on the matter. I am an electrical engineer who no longer works in the sector due to mental issues, but with an interest in computer science.

[–] chaos 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I as a human being have grown up and learned from experience and the experiences of previous humans that were documented or directly communicated to me. I can see no inherent difference with an artificial intelligence learning on the same data.

It's a massive difference in scale. For one, before you even leave the womb you have millions of years of evolution shaping the initial structure of your brain. Then your "training" begins, but it's infinitely richer than anything we're giving to these LLMs. Sights, sounds, smells, feelings, so many that part of what your brain is learning is what it must ignore. You're also benefitting from the interactivity of your environment, you can experiment with things and get feedback for what happens. As you get older and develop more skills, you can start integrating them together to do even more complex things, and the people around you will use their own incredible intelligence to specifically tailor your training to what you need as you learn and grow.

Meanwhile, an LLM is getting fed words, and learning how to predict the next word. It's a pale shadow of the complex lives humans live. Words are one of the more powerful things we have for thinking and reasoning, so if you're going to go all in on one skill, it's a rich environment for learning and in theory the contents of all of humanity's writing probably contains all the information necessary to recreate human intelligence, but our current technology doesn't even come close to wringing every ounce of knowledge from the training sets.

[–] knokelmaat 1 points 1 week ago

I agree with this take, well formulated!