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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The "what about plants" argument is such a thoroughly debunked joke argument that it's amazing anyone would continue to make it. Eating animals and their secretions requires harming significantly more plants than eating the plants directly because animals need to be fed too, and animals as food is by far the least efficient and most environmentally destructive way to have a food system.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not an argument. It was a consideration that should be weighed if you're being consistent. Your response is not accurate though. You're referring to most farmed animals. Bees do not require this and is what the post is about. There are many animal products that do less harm than plant products. Farming plants requires large areas of land to be cleared for farming and replaced with what is likely not a native species. This can't be good for native animals. If you're comparing the harm done by almonds and honey, honey is almost certainly better for harm reduction, yet it's an animal product, not a plant product.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not with bees not.

Eating plant based sugar will kill and harm more animals that bee produced sugar.

Or do you think that agricultural process does not kill bugs?

I would argue that eating honey instead of plant based sugar would be more vegan.

In general drawing the line of veganism with bugs is... Complicated. As you really cannot have agriculture without killing bugs.

You need pesticides, or some form of plage control. You need to harvest plants that surely will have animals in them. And you'll need to clean the vegetables of bugs before consumption.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Eating animals and their secretions requires harming significantly more plants than eating the plants directly because animals need to be fed too,

and they are mostly fed parts of plants that people can't or won't eat. the same field that grows soybeans for human consumption is growing animal feed, it's just different parts of the plant.