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Which protocol or open standard do you like or wish was more popular? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by cyclohexane@lemmy.ml to c/programming@programming.dev
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There are a couple I have in mind. Like many techies, I am a huge fan of RSS for content distribution and XMPP for federated communication.

The really niche one I like is S-expressions as a data format and configuration in place of json, yaml, toml, etc.

I am a big fan of Plaintext formats, although I wish markdown had a few more features like tables.

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[–] flameguy21@lemm.ee 56 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's completely bonkers that JPEG-XL is as good as it is and no one wants to actually implement it into web browsers

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What's so good about it?

[–] flameguy21@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Basically smaller file sizes than JPEG at the same quality and it also automatically loads a lower quality version of the image before it loads a higher quality version instead of loading it pixel by pixel like an image would normally load. Google refuses to implement this tech into Chrome because they have their own avif format, which isn't bad but significantly outclassed by JPEG-XL in nearly every conceivable metric. Mozilla also isn't putting JPEG-XL into Firefox for whatever reason. If you want more detail, here's an eight minute video about it.

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm under the impression that there's two reasons we don't have it in chromium yet:

  1. Google initially ignored jpeg-xl but then everyone jumped on it and now they feel they have to create a post-hoc justification for not supporting it earlier which is tricky and now they have a sunk cost situation to keep ignoring it
  2. Google today was burnt by the webp vulnerability which happened because there was only one decoder library and now they're waiting for more jpeg-xl libraries which have optimizations (which rules out reference implementations), good support (which rules out libraries by single authors), have proven battle-hardening (which will only happen over time) and are written safely to avoid another webp style vulnerability.

Google already wrote the wuffs language which is specifically designed to handle formats in a fast and safe way but it looks like it only has one dedicated maintainer which means it's still stuck on a bus factor of 1.

Honestly, Google or Microsoft should just make a team to work on a jpg-xl library in wuffs while adobe should make a team to work on a jpg-xl library in rust/zig.

That way everyone will be happy, we will have two solid implementations, and they'll both be made focussing on their own features/extensions first so we'll all have a choice among libraries for different needs (e.g. browser lib focusing on fast decode, creative suite lib for optimised encode).

[–] ReversalHatchery 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

didn't google include jpeg-xl support already in developer versions of chromium, just to remove it later?

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Chromium had it behind a flag for a while, but if there were security or serious enough performance concerns then it would make sense to remove it and wait for the jpeg-xl encoder/decoder situation to change.

It baffles me that someone large enough hasn't gone out of their way to make a decoder for chromium.

The video streaming services have done a lot of work to switch users to better formats to reduce their own costs.

If a CDN doesn't add it to chromium within the next 3 years, I'll be seriously questioning their judgement.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Chromium had it behind a flag for a while, but if there were security or serious enough performance concerns then it would make sense to remove it and wait for the jpeg-xl encoder/decoder situation to change.

Adobe announced they were supporting it (in Camera Raw), that's when the Chrome team announced they were removing it (due to a "lack of industry interest")

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think I would feel better using JPEG-XL where I currently use WebP. Here's hoping for wider support.

[–] comma_egomaniac@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Good news! I believe the Ladybird Browser intends to include support for JPEG XL.