I find most people who complain about echo chambers are just mad that they aren’t allowed to barge in everyone’s door and start shouting their bigoted opinions like it’s some moral imperative we all give equal time to all opinions/ideologies.

Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers? Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.

As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it's a good thing that there's an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.

At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.

It's largely context dependent.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago

Yes. Doing something bad for a bad reason is bad, doing a good thing for a good reason is good.

[–] Ion@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well that's definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn't speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government's massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with "Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise" type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn't be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers

Could be, especially if there aren't a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn't mean all sentiments must be present of course.

Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time

I don't think anyone said they aren't allowed to have such a space.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

HOW DARE YOU HAVE A MODERATELY DISSENTING VOICE, YOU LITERAL NAZI?!?!

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ll take this comment more seriously when literal nazis stop demanding we listen to them.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh literal Nazis can get fucked. My point is that you can disagree on topics and that health discourse is good

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Sounds like you’re tilting at windmills in that previous comment tbh

[–] vorlaut_boy@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'd like to come to your house and take a shit in your bed.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's moderation and there's making it into an echo chamber. Seems like a difference many don't understand.

[–] vorlaut_boy@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

seems like nitpicking to me.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

I don't know if you're joking or proving my point

[–] Ion@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hope you get the help you need 🙏

[–] vorlaut_boy@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Just bring TP, not Hope.