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if you're not free to become poor, homeless, and starving, are you really free? (slrpnk.net)

submitted 3 months ago by stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net to c/memes@slrpnk.net

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

"functioned" is the key word there. No elevators, terrible insulation, no air conditioning, tiny radiators for heating, small living space for entire families, and infested with bugs. Of course some American apartment buildings check all those boxes too, but it's naïve to assume that soviet apartments were great places to live

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It is worth considering the circumstances in which they were built, though - much of the worst of the classic eastern European "commie blocks" were basically just a desperate attempt to build something that would house people after WW2 flattened half of the continent. Throw in decades of under-maintenance for good measure.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So the upkeep part of this meme is bullshit?

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 3 months ago

I think, based on context, they mean the upkeep charges to residents, which are not necessarily the same as the cost to maintain the whole building

[–] Umbrias 1 points 3 months ago

yeah they may have been the same or worse under a different housing model. or much better, but it seems plausible that this wasnt the worst outcome. a modern implementation in a wealthy society not post war would do a lot better, and probably in this specific sector be better than the market alternative.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean shitty housing is better than no housing. Their setup comes out looking pretty good compared to a lot of places nowadays. But far from perfect as you point out.

[–] Truck_kun 3 points 3 months ago

I know little about Russia, but a quote from earlier this year from a Russian:

Boris Vishnevsky, a member of the St. Petersburg Legislative Assembly, responded to Beglov's remarks, saying in a Telegram post that "a quarter of Russians do not have centralized sewerage," citing data from Rosstat, Russia's state statistics service.

"And basically, it is hard to imagine something more gender-neutral than a backyard 'latrine'-style toilet," he added.

For context: In response to criticizing gender neutral toilets in Ukraine (I don't know if they mean individual/private unisex bathrooms, or actual group restrooms they think are trans bathrooms, it's not the point of this discussion anyways).