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4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) (privacy.thenexus.today)

submitted 3 months ago by thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/technology

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Feedback welcome! Here's the TL;DR list

Listen more to more Black people
Post less – and think before you post
Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects

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[–] alyaza 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

to be clear, your argument here is:

you can't know the race, sex, gender identity, or other immutable characteristic of every person who posts on Lemmy or another service, so
you therefore can't listen to those voices when they identify themselves or clearly mark themselves as such; you can't pre-emptively think about the nature of what you post and whether it's harmful to such groups; you can't report or check harmful behavior from others against those groups; and you can't support initiatives led by these groups? -- these are just entirely non-applicable in this space?

i feel like if you can't see how obviously ridiculous and farcical this argument is, you're again the person who vindicates the need for a list like this--however objectionable you find it.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My argument is you can't tell the demographic identity of ANY person who posts on lemmy. Even when they supposedly self-identify.
Again, what you're saying here is radically different than what OP is saying in the 4 points they posted. There was nothing limiting it to "on discussions about being black".

[–] alyaza 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Again, what you’re saying here is radically different than what OP is saying in the 4 points they posted. There was nothing limiting it to “on discussions about being black”.

i am demographically one of the people OP is trying to be considerate of (a black nonbinary person)--so i think i have a better idea of what they're going for here than you. to say nothing of the fact that you're an off-instance poster who, just to be clear for any observers, analogized the idea of paying attention to any demographic information for any reason to fascist genocides. ("Better yet we can skip that and simply put demographic badges next to people's username, like a yellow star for Jewish people, a pink triangle for homosexuals, and... hm, that sounds familiar, where has that happened before?")

anyways this is not interesting to me and i think we've established that you are one of the reasons lists like this need to exist, which is the only reason i waded in here to begin with--one of the community mods has already given you a ban for your conduct in this thread and the admins are in agreement that this should be extended sitewide.

[–] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago

Thanks very much for wading in, @alyaza@beehaw.org - and thanks again to all the mods for taking action here. Any thread about racism in the fediverse becomes evidence of racism in the fediverse, sigh.

More positively, though, I got some very helpful feedback here from @Kwakigra@beehaw.org, @SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org and @kalanggam@beehaw.org ... which is appreciated, and testimony to the fact that clearly a lot of people on Beehaw do get it!

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