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Admins, we're about to have a really bad SPAM problem when Lemmy removes captcha support in v.0.18 - You ALL have a responsibility to communicate back to lemmy devs to try to stop it. (tucson.social)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by th3raid0r@tucson.social to c/technology

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Look, we can debate the proper and private way to do Captchas all day, but if we remove the existing implementation we will be plunged into a world of hurt.

I run tucson.social - a tiny instance with barely any users and I find myself really ticked off at other Admin's abdication of duty when it comes to engaging with the developers.

For all the Fediverse discussion on this, where are the github issue comments? Where is our attempt to convince the devs in this.

No, seriously WHERE ARE THEY?

Oh, you think that just because an "Issue" exists to bring back Captchas is the best you can do?

NO it is not the best we can do, we need to be applying some pressure to the developers here and that requires EVERYONE to do their part.

The Devs can't make Lemmy an awesome place for us if us admins refuse to meaningfully engage with the project and provide feedback on crucial things like this.

So are you an admin? If so, we need more comments here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3200

We need to make it VERY clear that Captcha is required before v0.18's release. Not after when we'll all be scrambling...

EDIT: To be clear I'm talking to all instance admins, not just Beehaw's.

UPDATE: Our voices were heard! https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3200#issuecomment-1600505757

The important part was that this was a decision to re-implement the old (if imperfect) solution in time for the upcoming release. mCaptcha and better techs are indeed the better solution, but at least we won't make ourselves more vulnerable at this critical juncture.

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[–] wpuckering@lm.williampuckering.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

However, that's come with other tradeoffs in useability, speed, and fediration experience.

Like what? If properly configured none of the things listed should negatively impact hosting a Lemmy instance.

sure I'll be adding an exception/rule for that, but it's not a straight forward task.

It honestly should be to someone who would be hosting any public web application using Cloudflare. Cloudflare makes all of this quite easy, even to those with less experience.

Heck, the removal of websockets will require quite a few changes in my Cloudflare config.

What config are you referring to? In the Cloudflare console? For websockets changing to a REST API implementation there should be nothing at all you need to do.

Sure, someone truly concerned with security knows to do this, but that's definitely not going to be everyone

And it shouldn't have to be everyone, only those who take on the responsibility of hosting a public web application such as a Lemmy instance.

No matter the capabilities inherent in what you choose to host, the onus rests on the owner of the infrastructure to secure it.

Everyone should be free to host anything they want at whatever level of security (even none) if that's what they want to do. But it's not reasonable nor appropriate to expect it to be done for you by way of application code. It's great if security is baked in, that's wonderful. But it doesn't replace other mitigations that according to best practices should rightfully be in place and configured in the surrounding infrastructure.

In the case of the captcha issue we're discussing here, there's more than enough appropriate, free solutions that you can use to cover yourself.