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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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It's the Guardian, but it's still a good read. All of Sneerclub's favorite people were involved.

Last weekend, Lighthaven was the venue for the Manifest 2024 conference, which, according to the website, is “hosted by Manifold and Manifund”. Manifold is a startup that runs Manifund, a prediction market – a forecasting method that was the ostensible topic of the conference.

Prediction markets are a long-held enthusiasm in the EA and rationalism subcultures, and billed guests included personalities like Scott Siskind, AKA Scott Alexander, founder of Slate Star Codex; misogynistic George Mason University economist Robin Hanson; and Eliezer Yudkowsky, founder of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute (Miri).

Billed speakers from the broader tech world included the Substack co-founder Chris Best and Ben Mann, co-founder of AI startup Anthropic. Alongside these guests, however, were advertised a range of more extreme figures.

One, Jonathan Anomaly, published a paper in 2018 entitled Defending Eugenics, which called for a “non-coercive” or “liberal eugenics” to “increase the prevalence of traits that promote individual and social welfare”. The publication triggered an open letter of protest by Australian academics to the journal that published the paper, and protests at the University of Pennsylvania when he commenced working there in 2019. (Anomaly now works at a private institution in Quito, Ecuador, and claims on his website that US universities have been “ideologically captured”.)

Another, Razib Khan, saw his contract as a New York Times opinion writer abruptly withdrawn just one day after his appointment had been announced, following a Gawker report that highlighted his contributions to outlets including the paleoconservative Taki’s Magazine and anti-immigrant website VDare.

The Michigan State University professor Stephen Hsu, another billed guest, resigned as vice-president of research there in 2020 after protests by the MSU Graduate Employees Union and the MSU student association accusing Hsu of promoting scientific racism.

Brian Chau, executive director of the “effective accelerationist” non-profit Alliance for the Future (AFF), was another billed guest. A report last month catalogued Chau’s long history of racist and sexist online commentary, including false claims about George Floyd, and the claim that the US is a “Black supremacist” country. “Effective accelerationists” argue that human problems are best solved by unrestricted technological development.

Another advertised guest, Michael Lai, is emblematic of tech’s new willingness to intervene in Bay Area politics. Lai, an entrepreneur, was one of a slate of “Democrats for Change” candidates who seized control of the powerful Democratic County Central Committee from progressives, who had previously dominated the body that confers endorsements on candidates for local office.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

One of the videos ManiFest proudly highlights from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPDbOHSS4M

Genetic Enhancement: Prediction Markets for Future People by Jonathan Anomaly (Professor & Eugenicist)

Urrk, what sort of person proudly calls themself a Eugenicist? What sort of festival highlights this as good behavior??

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This guy... ugh I wanted to make it through today without learning about a new weirdo but I ended up watching the above presentation. Some terrible quotes for y'all to sneer at:

[increasing oxytocin] probably makes you more ethnocentric. Is that a moral enhancement? In some ways yes in other ways no.

I'm not saying I'm racist, but I'm like not not saying that either.

The few people [remaining] that are prone to do [theft] can learn that there are reasons not to do that in high-IQ-- um sorry-- in developed countries.

Oopsie just a little slip of the tongue teehee.

Solutions: AI-guided suggestions to parents about the traits they should select.

Oh no

I think what's going to happen is that people are going to cluster more together; potentially in smaller political societies with enough land to be defensible, along traits that they care about.

Ah yes, he did mention he was a libertarian at the start didn't he?


Overall: dude spent way too much time talking about IQ, expressing weird racist ideas without ever saying the word "race", complaining about "wokeism", and day-dreaming about genetic breeding in libertarian citadels.

[–] gnomicutterance@awful.systems 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Solutions: AI-guided suggestions to parents about the traits they should select

There’s a joke in here about and that’s how the human race all became polydactylic with extra elbows, but it’s too early in the morning for me to figure out how to make it not be at the expense of people with limb and facial differences.

[–] 200fifty@awful.systems 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It is always kind of bewildering to me though. Like, has no one ever explained to these people the health problems that highly-bred dogs tend to have? Have they never heard of 'hybrid vigor' or issues with smaller gene pools making populations more susceptible to disease? Were they just asleep during biology 101? I don't get how people who think they're so smart can have failed to consider even the most basic issues with planning to turn humanity into Gros Michel bananas.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 5 months ago

That is easy, first, pass biology in highschool, then don't think about it for 10 years until somebody on a forum somewhere is talking a lot (no more than you think, even more than that, yes that much) about IQ and genes. This brings back some ideas from science fiction they consumed, mix in contrarian debate bros to taste and boom suddenly they go "well, perhaps eugenics isn't that bad"

[–] rook@awful.systems 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, your genes are terrible, low quality things that would obviously ruin any group which had them. My genes are superior quality, and if everyone shared them they’d all be irresistibly sexy and overpoweringly rational, just like me.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 5 months ago

My genes are terrible on purpose. Keeps me on my toes. And it just makes me grind harder. #grindset #mindset #dailyhustle #hustle #hittersnotquitters #risengrind #hustle #lockedin #davidgoggins #motivation #owgodwhydidshedivorceme #discipline #alpha #sigma #tothemoon

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 5 months ago

Not to mention the descendants of Queen Victoria being afflicted by hemophilia, or the Spanish Habsburgs prioritizing keeping property within the realm instead of gifting it in dowries and leading to terrible inbreeding.

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[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This guy's vision of the future is Charles Murray's coming apart, except with different groups of Habsburgs enclosed in border walls