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Are there any EV cars without any "technology"? (lemm.ee)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by penquin@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Like the title says, are there any EVs that just have a Bluetooth radio and that's it? Like a normal car, not a smartphone on wheels? If not, do you all think that this will actually happen at some point? This is the main reason why I can't (and will never) buy an EV. I like to have actual buttons everywhere on my car. I think those massive tablets on these cars with all the touch buttons are very dangerous. I like an "entertainment system" that only connects to my phone with either a headphone jack ~~of~~ or Bluetooth. It's a car, not a PC.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

all seem to be "smart", and cloud connected, and effectively hardware as a service to spy on you, and prevent repairs, and have software lockouts of

This is happening with gas cars too. I was driving an Infiniti rental car and every time I started it, the infotainment system showed a disclaimer about Infiniti collecting and using data. There was a way of opting out of just some of the data collection, but no way of opting out of all of it.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does it connect to the Internet if you never connect your phone to it? Do they have their own network?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yes, most cars have had their own data connection for a while now. If I know correctly, it's a requirement for Europe since you have to put that button to call emergency services in the car, so it has to have a GSM module, so effectively it has to have mobile data.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So, forced data collection. Wow

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well technically GDPR applies, but who knows if any cars are actually compliant.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know of a story where a judge actually said that car makers are within their rights to collect your data as long as there is no harm done. Loius Rossmann made a video about it

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago

On one side, what the fuck, that's not how it's supposed to work. On the other side, at least precedent doesn't mean much in the EU.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

FWIW the EU's eCall system doesn't actually require a GSM module in the car; it's enough to use a phone connected to the Bluetooth handsfree kit.. That said, since most manufacturers already have the module for data-harvesting anyway it's kind of moot.