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At various times, most social media platforms have received criticism for alleged failure to prevent distribution of copyright-infringing content. Few, however, have been threatened with widespread blocking more often than Telegram. In a row that seemed ready to boil over last year, Telegram was given an ultimatum by the Malaysian government; come to the negotiating table or face the consequences. A Malaysian minister now says that Telegram is ready to fight piracy.

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[–] guts@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I rather have free speech, if you don't like Telegram then use something else.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Putting someone else's life in danger (unprovoked) is not a free speech

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's different, free speech is not about putting people on danger.

[–] jherazob 23 points 5 months ago

Promoting nazism IS inherently putting people in danger, that IS their thing

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Tolerating intolerance leads to disappearance of tolerance.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's with polarization that things spin out of control. When the left thinks the right are nazi's and the right think the left are commies, that's when people become less critical of themselves and hatred spirals into a civil war, and the one that's on top will do anything to prevent the 'enemy' taking over. Tolerating verbal intolerance is a good thing. That's why your own statement is tolerated, it's literally advocating intolerance (be it indirectly in favor of tolerance). I really don't believe your statement is correct. Tolerance leads to tolerance. Intolerance leads to more intolerance. Not tolerating intolerance doesn't make it disappear, it just makes people feel more strongly about it. When I cant think something or people look down on me for it, I am definitely gonna think it some more. Actual violence should of course not be tolerated. Ergo: is it ok to punch a nazi? No ofcourse not... unless the civil war has started yet and all tolerance is gone, but let's not go there.....

[–] Zelaf@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago

I find your point interesting and I agree to some extent.

When I have people around me that express some type of radical view I usually casually mention a slight disagreement or let it slide because I know going into a debate with me won't really change much.

However expressing opinions and feelings that are inherently based on hatred or lack of understanding, at least from what history has told, will lead to them being acted upon. Having resenting opinions about LGBT, for example, and grouping up with people with that mindset will probably spiral it into more lack of understanding and stronger opinions against it. Eventually leading to a growing and potentially spreading resentment against it. This extends to religion, skin colour, countries, mental diagnoses or anything else really.

What the "core" is so to speak is about things that people can't inherently control, being born differently, being born in a certain place, etc.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With open dialogue, education and respect you can have both.

[–] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

How does/can dialogue, education, and respect include intolerance? Isn't intolerance inherently disrespectful, uneducated, and non-dialogue?

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

.ml user don't be a fascist challenge.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Free speech is not about being fascist 🙄

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but what you're describing isn't freedom of speech; freedom of speech is the prohibition against the government taking action for the contents of the opinions you express. It has nothing to do with what a non-government platform allows or disallows.

A platform that allows Nazis is a Nazi platform, plain and simple.

I realize you're probably a dishonest pos, so this is for the benefit of whoever else reads it.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's also censorship if we are speaking of platforms.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Hopefully the package containing all the fucks I give doesn't get lost in the mail.

Edit: There's either a bunch of Nazis supporting this fucker or they're using alt accounts.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Good for you and we don't care

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's got a temp ban and I've banned a suspected alt account upvoting him from our instance. It'll be a permanent ban if he comes back for more.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm disappointed so many people disagree with this. Yes, now they're blocking opinions you don't like, but if they choose to block opinions you agree with, I doubt they'd continue whistling the same tune.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

It seems this instance is becoming like second Reddit.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 7 points 5 months ago

Funny how the .ml admins are so opposed to free speech on their own server, then.