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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 34 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Swede here, shit is BAD, but this is relative to how things used to be before this shit started, so in relative global terms Sweden is still a damn good place to live.

That being said, this behavior should be seen as a warning to not take culture clashes lightly.

I am sure I am going to catch a lot of heat for this, but damn it, it needs to be said.

The gangs we see are a direct result of a terribly run migration policy.

We have taken in far, far, far too many migrants in a way, way, way too short ammount of time.

This combined with a integration policy that keeps failing over and over as we continously refuse to enforce even the most basic attempt by migrants to integrate. There are many migrants who has lived in Sweden for many years without speaking either Swedish or English, they still have a right to free interpretors when dealing with doctors and government services, this is fucking mental.

We have punnishments and laws fitting Swedes from the 1960s or so, they don't do shit against the modern gangs.

So what needs to be done?

Start actually deporting criminals, log their DNA and give them a lifetime ban on returning, check all migrants against this database.

To those born in Sweden, start instituting extra long prison terms for criminals who keep reoffending.

Enforce learning the Swedish language and check compliance with in-person tests, and mandatory lessons. If you need an interpreter after 3 years, you have to pay for it yourself.

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait, why would anyone have the right to free interpreters at any time? That sounds like such a waste of public resources and like you said, enables people to never even try to learn the language.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago

As an initial concept, it is resonable to help people get the care they need even if they don't speak the language, but after 5 years of working to live here you should be expected to be able to communicate without an interpreter, even if it is not fluent.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, saying that Swedish integration policies suck while it has taken more immigrants than it should is fine.

So are solutions, only it's a bit cruel to do that now to people already living in Sweden for many years.

So maybe enforcing learning the language (with maybe some cultural basics course) is fine, but deportations should come like 5+ years later.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Deportations, as in after commiting a crime, should be on the table instantly for violent crimes commited by migrants.

Note that I am not talking about general deportations of normal, well adjusted migrants, but migrants commiting violent crimes.

As for language and culture classes, we allready offer them for free to all migrants, Svenska För Invandrare, it is however critisized for only offering low quallity classes, which is a big problem that needs to be adressed.

[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My wife signed on for SFI after she moved, and found that the level and expectations were so low she had difficulty staying engaged with the classes and course material.

She looked into private tutoring and was fluent in Swedish in 4 months, and ended up teaching Swedish to highschool aged kids after just 2.5 years.

To this day she wonders if SFI wasn't secretly designed to push anyone with any kind of ambition out of the system.

I personally think it's a case of bigotry of low expectations, but it's clear it really doesn't work for the intended purpose.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

This tracks with what I have heard about it, and also tracks with my expectations of the Swedish government in cases like these, they dumb it down to the lowest possible standard to get good stats on the usage and success rate of it.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

OK, no disagreement.

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