That's simply not a comparable scenario. MAGA folks are more numerous in certain areas, sure, but there isn't a MAGA government or region made entirely out of MAGA citizens. Comparing a political movement, even one the size of MAGA, with a sovereign government that has ruled over its now 23 million citizens for 70 years is a bad comparison.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

MAGA movement certainly has these characteristics in a few states like Texas and Florida. In fact, Texas actually made noises about exiting the union after the last election. This sentiment is likely to keep growing in the coming years. Again, let's say a foreign government like China or Russia started pouring money into this movement, arming it, openly helping MAGA politicians get into office, and so on. You would consider this to be just American people thinking for themselves?

You're also making a false statement about the government in Taiwan. KMT has been the government in Taiwan for most of its history, and it was actually moving towards reunification in 2014. US ran a color revolution to prevent that. Were you not aware of this fact or were you intentionally misrepresenting the situation?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Again, let’s say a foreign government like China or Russia started pouring money into this movement,

Large numbers of people in US already seems to think it is: Dems say reps take money from Russia, and reps say dems take money from China. One could wonder how such banana republic is still keeping the world hegemony.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Right, and I think this is a direct result of the whole American exceptionalism idea. Most people in US have been convinced that their system is perfect, and it's the best system possible. So, when the system starts failing it must be because of sabotage by external actors as opposed to inherent flaws in the system itself. Democrats blame the Russians and say that republicans are their puppets, while republicans blame the Chinese and say the same about democrats.

In the end, nobody is focusing on the actual problems US is facing and as the material conditions continue to deteriorate the animosity and recriminations escalate. This polarization and tribalism is now creating conditions ripe for a civil war or a violent civil unrest. January 6 riot was the first example of that, but it most certainly won't be the last.

Meanwhile, US hegemony is rapidly unravelling on the world stage where the cost of the empire is becoming too much of a burden now. Countries are increasingly finding ways to stand up to US system of oppression, and the economic war with Russia has greatly accelerated this process.