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Confession time: I am not overly enamored of "rules-lite" RPG systems. As long as the system is coherent and well-thought out, I prefer it when the system has rules for all sorts of things - from tactical combat to running chases to social encounters to falling damage and so forth. I like GURPS, I like D&D5E, I like Pathfinder 2E (although I haven't gotten a chance to try it as much as I'd like).

However, one thing that I want to be as simple as possible: NPC/monster creation. When I am the game master, I want to churn out the stats for enemies that the PCs can overcome as quickly as possible. Any time I spend on building NPC stat blocks is time I can't spend on working out fiendish adventure plots.

Here are a few examples of NPC creation in different systems:

Horribad: D&D 3.X, Pathfinder 1E. Too damn many derived values, templates, and so forth. Far too much math for far too little to show for it.

Bad: Exalted 1E/2E. NPCs have all the same stats as PCs, of which there are lots. Plus lots of charms with overly long texts, in the case of Exalted NPCs.

Decent: GURPS, D&D5E. The math isn't too complicated, and you can easily recycle and modify existing stat blocks - though you have to be careful so that these NPCs are balanced in a fight. Exalted 3E edges into this territory with their "Quick Character" concept - but they spoil it with insisting that "significant NPCs" should be built with all the same rules as player characters.

Good: Storypath System, Exalted Essence. I love how they boil down all skills to: "This dice pool is for what the character is good at, this is what the character is okay at, and this dice pool is when they have to do something they have no real competence at" - and the GM can define these however they like, and even improvise this. Then you have a very few other stats like Health and Defense, and you are set apart from a few special qualities! I've started running Scion very recently, and I am very impressed with this.

So, what other examples do you have of RPG systems that do NPC creation well - and which do it badly?

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[–] zdl@mastodon.online 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@juergen_hubert I like a good rules *framework* with a small, consistent, easily-extensible set of core mechanisms that can be used for everything else.

If the rules then show how to use it for everything else (like C&S 3.0+) that's icing on the cake.

What I don't like is games with incoherent, inconsistent rules for everything that don't interact well with each other (like AD&D's entire combat system from surprise through initiative through actual combat, including unarmed combat).

[–] juergen_hubert@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For all of its faults, D&D 3E was a step forward because it introduced an universal task resolution system

[–] zdl@mastodon.online 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@juergen_hubert Well "introduced" if you ignore practically every game made for almost 15 years before it. 🤣 (I know what you mean. I just think it's funny wording!)

[–] juergen_hubert@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, some games still haven't learned that lesson (remember the German "Midgard" RPG?).

[–] zdl@mastodon.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@juergen_hubert No, I don't. I've only ever seen one German RPG, and that wasn't it.

[–] juergen_hubert@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Let's just say that all the advances in TTRPG design of the last few decades completely passed it by.