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Europe will lose all credibility if Russia wins in Ukraine, warns French president Macron (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

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[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It feels like the cited statement actually lacks causality. If Ukraine falls, nobody will remain at peace, that's true. But how does that change the credibility of Europe except for showing that maybe help was not large enough (even that might be a wrong assumption) is what I fail to see.

If anything, the credibility of Europe could be questioned over the efficiency of sanctions and over how those sanctions actually affect Putin's war

[–] apis 3 points 8 months ago

Given that the purpose of the EU was to dramatically reduce the conflicts that plagued Europe for thousands of years, culminating in WWII, through ever greater cooperation, the credibility of the project may come into question if Europe is unable to cooperate enough to see off Russian aggression in neighbouring terrain.

Relative to many of the issues which the EU & closely aligned neighbours must agree upon if they are to act, responses to a military threat ought to be easier to arrive at, and yet here we are.