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#lemmy /#kbin has a problem that #mastodon hasn't even attempted to solve; groups and what happens when they get popular. (mas.to)

submitted 1 year ago by schizanon@mas.to to c/technology

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#lemmy/#kbin has a problem that #mastodon hasn't even attempted to solve; groups and what happens when they get popular.

#Communities, #groups, #magazines, whatever they are called are implemented as #Actors in #ActivityPub. They are basically just *very* popular users who boost a *lot*.

You can't just distribute them across instances the way normal actors do. Whichever server hosts @technology@lemmy.ml or @technology@beehaw.org is going to get HOSED on the regular.

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[–] SQL_InjectMe@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy in the last few days is absolutely tiny compared to a site like reddit, and already instances are struggling to cope.

While this is true, 5 days ago lemmy.ml, the biggest instance, was on a 67 EUR server which is very small. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36270094

Posts like this: https://lemm.ee/post/58472 suggest it is a problem

This is a scaling problem (having more users means you need more mods) but I disagree with how they handled it and it isn't a money related thing. My thoughts on this are in an older post when this was first announced https://partizle.com/comment/64178

Why should a handful of “lucky” servers have to pay all the hosting costs?

My initial idea is to use the something awful model of paying a one time fee to register an acount. The problem is that people would just sign up on another instance that doesn't charge a fee but still add load to the lucky instance. Another approach could be to participate in communities on one of those lucky servers then you need to pay a one time fee to that server (comments would need to be removed by a bot if they're not made by an approved user). I'm not saying that's perfect, but it's an idea. Adsense is another idea.

[–] zero_iq@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again, you say it's not a money problem.... then go on to describe a money problem! 🤦‍♂️

Also, did you read the link included in the post I linked to? ( https://beehaw.org/post/520044?scrollToComments=true )

That's a money problem and a time problem. (And time problems are money problems.)

But more generally, high traffic sites need lots of money and resources to run. That's just a fact.

We can solve this in many ways as Lemmy grows (and I think we will), but to just pretend there aren't any problems to be solved is naive, IMO.

If Lemmy grows to any significant percentage of reddit traffic, the Lemmy of tomorrow will (necessarily) look quite different to the Lemmy of today.