Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Let's be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia's invasion in 2022?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 months ago

No? That is exactly why I didn't enter a date in my post...

Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

[–] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions?

Not expanding NATO.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Putin has been the driving force in expanding NATO. Literally none would care if we didn't have to worry about that asshole eastern neighbor

[–] sonori 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s also pretty silly because there are two NATO member nations closer to Moscow than Ukraine.

But hey, I can’t imagine why the people of all these democratic nations keep voting to join a mutual defense pact. It can’t be because of anything to do with fear of being invaded by the unstable dictator next door, after all, we know the world only exists of the US and Russia and no other people could possibly have a voice in their local government or matter in any way.

[–] kookaburra@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

What’s the weather like in Moscow?

Thanks for asking, it was around +10 degrees per Celsius this afternoon, which is quite warm for this time of the year. But there is a downside as there's melting snow everywhere.

You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions? Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.

This profound analysis is a real gem of modern Western thought!