So invading Ukraine fixes what for Russia, exactly? The fastest way to make more of Russia's neighbours join NATO is to show them that they're safer in NATO. Like Finland.

Ukrainians mostly weren't interested in joining NATO until Russia took Crimea. Russia pushed Ukraine towards NATO.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"Ukraine applied to integrate with a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008. Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych". Then the Euromaiden protests happened. Then Crimea etc.

It's pretty safe to assume that both Russia and the US meddled in the respective election through NGOs and whatnot. My point is that these are geopolitical games which both sides play and which should be reported as such. Then we'd have a chance to protest for peace negotiations. But as is there is an overwhelming amount of pro-war sentiment.

[–] Skua@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago

Public support for joining NATO among polled Ukrainians was very clearly the minority up until Russia invaded.

But as is there is an overwhelming amount of pro-war sentiment.

There's an overwhelming amount of anti-invasion sentiment. People that support arming Ukraine support Ukraine's right to not have chunks carved out of it just because its neighbour has a bigger army.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

they couldn't join NATO because of crimea, explain what they really want