Which do you not understand: anarchism or communism? Communism is a stateless, classless society. It does not require a state, and it is perfectly compatible with anarchism. In fact, within any form of anarchism you'd find communism.

Anarchism is no state and no hierarchies. In any form, it seeks horizontality and mutual aid. It is absolutely unhinged to think that's compatible in any way with capitalism.

Jfc the media has really succeeded in deluding people about what anarchism is, haven't they? The surprising thing is I'd expect that on, say, Facebook or 4chan or Stormfront, but I thought 196 was more ... leftist

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You misspelled utopia. Not sure what reality you'd expect humans to create a stateless and classless "communism" outside the hippie commune out in the woods.

The comment you replied to even said "at a national scale." That's the rub, isn't it?

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well of course, there would be no nation ideally, so the concept of a national scale is a bit incompatible in a way, isn't it? As you pointed out in another comment, the existence of nations only threatens progress and equity! They can and do disrupt any such attempt. I mean, look what happened to the Spanish anarchists, and what the US has done every time a remotely leftist movement has taken hold in Latin America.

I don't agree with the Marxist-Leninists, but even for them the end goal is (at least in theory) to advance to statelessness and classlessness. We anarchists don't agree that such a thing can be achieved via a state. A state will never offload its power. Its whole shtick is coercion and control, and it will hold onto that at all costs.

utopia

Very few anarchists would use this term. The concept of a utopia is rather antithetical to anarchism, by most people's assessment. "Utopia" implies a perfect society with no room to progress. I doubt such a thing is possible, and I think it might be rather harmful to imagine we've arrived at perfection. It would stifle progress, now wouldn't it?

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well I won't fault you for being an optimist.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Every great movement in history was started by optimists ;)

But hey, calling the anarchist an "optimist" is progress in itself! "Optimist" wasn't the word they used for people like Emma Goldman.

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