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Generative artificial intelligence (GenAI) company Anthropic has claimed to a US court that using copyrighted content in large language model (LLM) training data counts as “fair use”, however.

Under US law, “fair use” permits the limited use of copyrighted material without permission, for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research.

In October 2023, a host of music publishers including Concord, Universal Music Group and ABKCO initiated legal action against the Amazon- and Google-backed generative AI firm Anthropic, demanding potentially millions in damages for the allegedly “systematic and widespread infringement of their copyrighted song lyrics”.

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[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You might want to read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF, and this one by Katherine Klosek, the director of information policy and federal relations at the Association of Research Libraries. YouTube's one-sided strike-happy system isn't the real world.

Headlines like these let people assume that it’s illegal, rather than educate them on their rights.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When Annas-Archive or Sci-Hub get treated the same as these giant corporations, I'll start giving a shit about the "fair use" argument.

When people pirate to better the world by increasing access to information, the whole world gets together to try to kick them off the internet.

When giant companies with enough money to make Solomon blush pirate to make more oodles of money and not improve access to information, it's "fAiR uSe."

Literally everyone knew from the start that books3 was all pirated and from ebooks with the DRM circumvented and removed. It was noted when it was created it was basically the entirety of private torrent tracker Bibliotik.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

AI training should not be a privilege of the mega-corporations. We already have the ability to train open source models, and organizations like Mozilla and LAION are working to make AI accessible to everyone. We can't allow the ultra-wealthy to monopolize a public technology by creating barriers that make it prohibitively expensive for regular people to keep up. Mega corporations already have a leg up with their own datasets and predatory terms of service that exploit our data. Don't do their dirty work for them.

Denying regular people access to a competitive, corporate-independent tool for creativity, education, entertainment, and social mobility, we condemn them to a far worse future, with fewer rights than we started with.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

How am I doing their dirty work for them? I literally will stop thinking that they're getting away with piracy for profit when we stop haranguing people who are committing to piracy for the benefit of mankind.

I'm not saying Meta should be stopped, I'm saying the prosecution of Sci-Hub and Annas-Archive need to be stopped under the same pretenses.

If it's okay to pirate for the purpose of making money (what we put The Pirate Bay admins in jail for), then it's okay to pirate to benefit mankind.

There is literally no way in hell someone can convince me what Meta and others are doing is not pirating to use the data contained within to make money. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.

I reiterate, they knew it was pirated and had DRM circumvented when they downloaded it. There was zero question of the source of this data. They knew from the beginning they intended to profit from the use of this data. How is that different than what we accused The Pirate Bay admins of?

It really feels like "Well these corporations have money to steal more prolifically than little people, so since they're stealing is so big, we have to ignore it."

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Then I misunderstood what you were saying. Carry on.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is literally no way in hell someone can convince me what Meta and others are doing is not pirating

Then your argument is non-falsifiable, and therefore, invalid.

Major corporations and pirates are finally on the same side for once. "Fair Use" finally has financial backing. Meta is certainly not a friend, but our interests currently align.

The worst possible outcome here is that copyright trolls manage to convince the courts that they are owed licensing fees. Next worse is a settlement that grants rightsholders a share of profits generated by AI, like they got from manufacturers of blank tapes and CDs.

Best case is that the MPAA, RIAA, and other copyright trolls get reminded that "Fair Use" is not an exception to copyright law, but the fundamental reason it exists: Fair Use is the promotion of science and the useful arts. Fair Use is the rule; Restriction is the exception.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

Then your argument is non-falsifiable, and therefore, invalid.

Wow this is some powerful internet word salad, just shot gunning scientific sounding words at the wall to try to pretty up a basic internet debate. Falsifiability is about scientific hypotheses, not statements of belief. "Nothing you can say can convince me that murder isn't wrong" may mean there's no further use in debate, but it isn't "non-falsifiable" in any meaningful way nor does it somehow make the argument for the immorality of murder "invalid".

[–] VoterFrog@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

You don't see the difference between distributing someone else's content against their will and using their content for statistical analysis? There's a pretty clear difference between the two, especially as fair use is concerned.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

By and large copyright infringement is illegal. That some things aren't infringement doesn't change that a general stance of "if I don't have permission, I can't copy it" is correct. The first argument in the EFF article is effectively the title: "it can't be copyright, because otherwise massive AI models would be impossible to build". That doesn't make it fair use, they just want it to become so.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago

The purpose of copyright is to promote the sciences and useful arts. To increase the depth, width, and breadth of the public domain. "Fair Use" is not the exception. "Fair Use" is the fundamental purpose for which copyrights and patents exist. Copyright is not the rule. Copyright is the exception. The temporary exception. The limited exception. The exception we grant to individuals for their contribution to the public.

"it can't be copyright, because otherwise massive AI models would be impossible to build".

If that is, indeed, true, and if AI is a progression of science or the useful arts, then it is copyright that must yield, not AI.