I never heard anyone say that. Who the fuck would say something ridiculous like that? People either say "It's only Russia" or "It's the fucking NATO!". But "It's Ukraine"? Never heard that at all.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I heard the Russian propaganda that Russia "had" to interfere to save Russians in Ukraine being oppressed by "Nazi" Selensky. Complete crap, but that's what some are arguing.

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Eh... I'm not saying that Russia is a pure country full of love for every human being. Humans can be quite shitty, and that's true for Russia as well as any other part of the world, and equally true for most governments.

But... there WAS an extremely cruel civil war going on in the Ukraine, and it was between "pro-west" Ukrainians and "pro-russia" Ukrainians. That's a fact. 14,000 people died in that civil war from 2014 to 2022. That's before the war started.

I have no idea if Selensky is a Nazi, but the truth is that he sure does employ a lot of people who are incredibly obvious Nazis. Right down to Nazi tattoos and all that shit.

That's not some weird fantasy, that's a fact. The only weird thing is that so many people choose to act as if that is a completely normal thing to have: Multiple militarized (sic!) Nazi battalions working for the state, paid by the state, with weapons provided by the state (and their friends).

Everybody can have their own opinion about this, but these are facts. Very obvious and provable facts.

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[–] thervingi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I think Ukraine believed until the very end that Western support would stop Russians from attacking.

Ukraine made the mistake of trying to reclaim Luhansk and Donetsk, even though the Russian side is clearly stronger.

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