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Canonical's Steam Snap is Causing Headaches for Valve (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)

submitted 10 months ago by pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Timothée Besset, a software engineer who works on the Steam client for Valve, took to Mastodon this week to reveal: “Valve is seeing an increasing number of bug reports for issues caused by Canonical’s repackaging of the Steam client through snap”.

“We are not involved with the snap repackaging. It has a lot of issues”, Besset adds, noting that “the best way to install Steam on Debian and derivative operating systems is to […] use the official .deb”.

Those who don’t want to use the official Deb package are instead asked to ‘consider the Flatpak version’ — though like Canonical’s Steam snap the Steam Flatpak is also unofficial, and no directly supported by Valve.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I know the "Arch BTW" meme exists for a reason, but one of the reasons I haven't been able to drag myself away from Arch-based distros in recent years is that it allows me to always have current versions of my software while also just not having to care about all this appimage/flatpak/snap brouhaha.

I guess it's somewhat of a "pick your poison" kind of situation, but I find dealing with the typical complaints about Arch based distros to be both less of a problem than detractors would have you believe, and less of a headache than having to pick one of three competing alternative packaging approaches, or worse, to use a mix of them all. Standing on the sidelines of the topic it seems like a small number of people really like that these options exist, and I'm happy for those people. But mostly I'm grateful that I don't have to care about this kind of thing.

Edited to add: Seeing how this thread has developed in the past 5 hours convinces me anew that "on the sidelines" is where I want to stay on this topic. 😁

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've always found the most time consuming thing about arch is having to spend half your life telling everyone you use it.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nah, it's repeating the installation process until you finally get enough stuff working to have internet, and then you can bootstrap installing every other bit of software that you need. Thank goodness for rolling release - I can't imagine having to go through that again.

[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

You can install Arch directly from a UEFI shell over the Internet: https://archlinux.org/releng/netboot/
If your BIOS has a UEFI shell that supports DHCP, HTTP and IPv4 PXE you can load the ipxe-arch.efi over HTTP and start installing.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I haven't done a vanilla arch install for years either, because if that sort of thing is fun for some folks great, but it was only fun once or twice for me. I think a lot of the vanilla arch faithful end up scripting it for fresh installs.

But, FWIW there's always endeavouros, manjaro, and I'm sure other Arch derivatives I've forgotten about. I just did an endeavouros install on new hardware I was given last weekend, and it's certainly no harder to install than Ubuntu.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I haven't used it in years, so hard to remember now.

[–] ScottE@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

100% all this. Canonical has been pushing snaps for awhile, and I wonder if the 12 year LTS for Ubuntu is part of that strategy - want something newer? It's in the snap store. snap is terrible, worse than flakpak and appimage - but just as you say, as an arch user I don't have to care. Whatever I want is probably in the AUR if not the main repos. Rolling distros, done right (arch), are an amazing experience.

[–] Grain9325@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yup, the AUR is a godsend. I barely touch the other methods and only use AppImages when I'm too lazy.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Appimages when you're lazy? The fact you have to chmod them is annoying compared to an AUR helper

[–] Grain9325@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean Dolphin gives a prompt for the same thing when I launch it.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 0 points 10 months ago

I think if we could drag users (at least gamers) away from these Debian/Ubuntu based distros we could have developers just shipping packages that wouldn't need to be compatible with some ancient LTS library release, and maybe we wouldn't need appimage/flatpak/snap at all anymore (or at least only in rare cases).